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by Western Rider on 12 October 2019 - 18:10

Duke your link did not go anywhere is this what you were trying to link to?

by duke1965 on 12 October 2019 - 18:10

yes thank you

by GSCat on 13 October 2019 - 01:10

If supply/demand for older dogs is such a problem, the government needs to buy young and hire "puppy raisers" that do all of the house breaking, basic obedience, etc., just like the service dog organizations. Or have the handlers/potential handlers/kennel masters do this. It's unfair for anyone, including government and NGOs, to expect breeders to care for and train the puppy(ies) without compensation.

This kind of program, unless run right, could lead to even more inbreeding and health problems. It could also lead to dogs that weren't suitable for their purposes being dumped on the market, depressing puppy prices and potentially running good breeders out of business. Although the "failed" puppies that are suitable for SAR, service dogs, therapy dogs, etc. could be provided free to the charities and NGOs that train and give such dogs to handicapped people, volunteer organizations, etc.

This kind of program could also potentially hurt current breeders by causing the prices of breeding stock to go way out of reach, potentially causing breeders to use lesser quality dogs, reducing the quality of their breeding programs/dogs.

If they really want to do this, they need to look at the old Czech program and learn from the model, the successes, and the failures. The veterinarians selected need to understand the differences between working dogs and pets, and not bring in politically correct ideas that ruin the working lines.

I wish Hans could comment on this...

by duke1965 on 13 October 2019 - 06:10

the problem is that breeders should change their breedingprograms first and start breeding qualities, not champions and fame, second problem is the puppyprice in USA is high, so running them on for 8 months to get thousand dollars more is not worth it, and like you say, what to do with all the ones that will NOT make the final cut and are rejected

I see clients/vendors rejecting good quality dogs for having a white spot, a tippin ear or being half an inch to big or small, and many more things that have nothing to do with actual workingqualities

I personally dont work with TSA/DOD when they buy dogs in europe, but they reject large numbers of good dogs that will go on to other countries and clients, but USA breeders will not have that outlet to sell the rejects to

IMO the answer lies in mentality change and improving of trainingqualities and understanding of dogs by the people at the government facilities


dont think this problem will be solved by university study or work group that dont understand the functioning of the total concept of LE dogs to begin with, and finally state stupit fact that Arabs pay more for dogs than USA, that is fuctual incorrect, USA pays highest prices for LE dogs in general 

by ValK on 13 October 2019 - 15:10

seems article about nothing.
agencies blames breeders, breeders blames agencies but both camp does excuse themselves by the lack of money.
agencies cry about underfunding and inflated prices, breeders cry about underpay for their dogs and imposed testing process.
reality is that commercial breeders will supply dogs where good money can be made with less effort. and that market is family pet market with absent standard for dog's quality.


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