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by duke1965 on 03 February 2019 - 07:02

Valk, first, im talking about the individual dogs, not their offspring, but for Furo, Piko comes to mind and Ex, also Axa produced some real nice dogs again, also Furo sister Fany reproduced well, 

As for Mambo I know good offspring, but problem is allways that for continuing breeding of offspring there need to be some fame attached to them, either from IPO podium or Jinopo website or something

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 03 February 2019 - 10:02

On the other hand, outcrossing all the time is just like a mish-mash of genetic contribution, with most chance of large variance within a litter. Line-breeding is done to enhance and build upon the genetic contributions that are wanted from a certain parent. With line-breeding, the breeder should be trying to 'double-up' on the good genetic potential of both the sire and the dam. Of course, along with the good genetics, the chance of the bad can also be expressed so it's important for the breeder to be very familiar with the genetics of the sire/dam and pair them up to compensate/complement one another.

Both methods and ideologies have pros and cons, but IMO, the most important consideration is the breeder's knowledge of the dogs within both sire and dam's pedigrees, and to have a plan for their breeding program.


EXACLY the problem in the US is they buy and buy dogs with that famous fancy names they never have trained with them or see plenty  offspring themself, they only heard the good stories. In the dogwold , breeders only give you information about a few good offspring the crap offspring they will never tell you.

3-3 linebreeding is useless if the male or breeding female is individual isn,t is dominant quality why
breeding with avarage dogs who only have that famous names in pedigree this is what happen too much in the dog world even today.

What Koots is saying good breeders train their own dogs on a good level know the offspring from many generations in pedigree males and more inportant the females ,Again here everybody only talk about that famous fancy only males from the past .

When you linebreed 3-3 -you do also 4-4 5-5 6-6 on specific dogs and once again most people don,t nothing about there working temperment and health what they have produced, ,

Breeding on famous names or buying pups only about stories from that Fancy and Famous is the stupiest thing you can do if you never seen that dogs in real live or any offspring or trained that dogs yourself IMO. Good dogs only in a pedigree don,t make automatic a good producer have seen too many

by ValK on 03 February 2019 - 19:02

duke,my point is - continuity in physical appearance and traits is a main purpose of thoughtful knowledgeable breeding.
sadly not in commercial "anything but sales" environment.

famed name are main sale point in almost all ads, regardless who was mating partner with that name and how many weak dogs was already left their genetic imprint in there before these pups/dogs for sale even born.

by duke1965 on 03 February 2019 - 20:02

agree, but same as not so good, famous dogs get many breedings,also, real good, but not so famous dogs dont get a lot of breedings, and it is most likely that someone who wants to put work and time in a pup, will get that pup from "famous"parents


LdyAryn

by LdyAryn on 16 February 2019 - 18:02

Ok am truly a novice, so please be kind. What does 3-3 Line mean? Thank you.
jdiogoc

by jdiogoc on 16 February 2019 - 20:02

@LdyAryn it means that your puppy has the same ancestor on both sides of the pedigree in the 3rd generation (1 of the great-grandparents is the same on both the father and mother's side).

by adlerbach on 18 February 2019 - 17:02

I owned Narro von der Kine SchH3 until his death at 12 years and bred him to Xanja vom Haus Reinius SchH1 also with me until her death at 13. Bred them and the pups were 3-3 Fado. Two of the toughest males resulted---Ajax being one who also was with me for life. Oh my what a handful of large gorgeous dog he was. The females of that breeding were not much IMO.

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