by HOC on 18 June 2018 - 18:06
Has the market for working dogs really changed that much ?? My last litter before this was 8 yrs ago,....as with the previous 20 years they all sold with no problem,....Is it the line ?....I truly am at a loss,....any positive feedback is appreciated
by old shatterhand on 19 June 2018 - 00:06
We have some really nice dogs here, but the problem here is We also have too many Chiefs and no Indians . After closing WDA We don't have any decent shows anymore. I am talking about show lines not working lines. Prices are driven by demand, so if someone is willing to pay $3k for a long coat pup and don't care about the parents titles, health, shows ratings nothing you nor me can do. Especially in USA where We don't have any regulations, restrictions ANYBODY CAN BREED ANYTHING. I see some adds here where people are asking $4000-$6000 for puppies which I wouldn't pay $500 ,but if they can find a buyer for them, than I feel very sorry for the buyer . I just imported recently two male puppies from Germany, after few months I did the prel. xrays, and one of them has dysplastic hips, the other one elbows. placed for free to good homes and had to swallow the loses and move on. I just want to warn those potential buyers who want to buy puppies from Europe, be careful, because if anything goes wrong with the pup you are on your own. In the States still are excellent breeders, and you can buy puppies with full health guarantees, and much better quality than those Imports.
by apple on 19 June 2018 - 11:06
by joanro on 19 June 2018 - 14:06
In which case, the ops dogs should be perfect for pet dog's, which is the largest market.
by Baerenfangs Erbe on 19 June 2018 - 15:06
Frankly, people want to be screwed over. They'll dish out top dollars for pet store puppies and poorly bred "black and tan oldschool oversized" dogs. What they call "good dogs" is a far cry from what we would call a good dog.
And rumors are just that - rumors. According to rumors I should have some weak nerved shit dogs because of the linebreeding I've chosen but I really don't. And I've not once yet had serious nerve issues. Quite the contrary actually. I've had rock solid nerves so far and a phenomanl temperament. Same goes for health. According to popular believe I should have a barrage of bad elbows and hip issues, but I don't. Out of 4 litters I've had one UAP and one DJD. That's it.
But based on that linebreeding, and based on those rumors, people shy away from those bloodlines and they are seriously nice dogs.
I've got a litter of puppies right now and I'm asking the same questions. I could sell those pups but not into the homes I want them in. I've also found that especially those that have a myriad of issues in their own bloodlines are the ones shittalking other peoples dogs.
I get to see the most committed owners and they all have dogs that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. From fear aggression to anxiety to the point of being scared of life but hey - it's that iconic black and tan RinTinTin type shepherd they all want. We are just greeders ....
by joanro on 19 June 2018 - 15:06
And to be clear, when I said " rumors" about anrebre dogs was not saying I believe them. But if the rumors are true, the pet people should be flocking for weak dogs. That's what they request most of the times, and that's why I tell them to get a balck and red pup.
by Rik on 19 June 2018 - 18:06
there is a guy near me who has never done anything but buy retired brood bitches, breed them and sell pups for $2500. never trained anything, never placed in any show/trial, but is a master at website/promotion.
p.s. I have only seen 2 Annrebi dogs up close, both at club. I was not inclined to buy one.
by ValK on 19 June 2018 - 23:06
i guess dog's market has many segments, each with specific consumer demands.
but who know for sure. i have problem to find my preferred type of dog in today's offers.
13 years ago the last my dog was first, i paid for. in fact asked price was $600 but when
i did come to pick up the pup, breeder took $400 and gave back $200, even i didn't ask
him for bargain.
by GSCat on 20 June 2018 - 03:06
Maybe it's just old fashioned marketing and psychology.
Maybe the puppies were underpriced enough that people thought there was something wrong with them. $2500 for what you were offering might have seemed like someone trying to dump puppies that weren't making some aspect of the training, didn't have the right drives/temperament/conformation, etc. Since the price has been repeatedly dropped, it might look even more so like this is the case.
It might have been better off starting at $4500, if for no other reason that people looking to buy a $4000-$5000 GSD/expecting to pay $4000-$5000 for what they want/think they want, won't even look at/consider one for $2500 because they think the less expensive puppies are inferior to the higher priced puppies. Some of these people would buy a pet store puppy that originated in a puppy mill with pet (or less) quality parents if it had a $5000 price tag and AKC registration because "it must be really good" if it costs that much. These are the people that figure a GSD is a GSD, and the higher the price, the better the dog :-(
If the differences in the dams were really significant, anyone that did their homework and was interested would have offered a lower price than asking, or the asking price could have been $4000 so there was still negotiating room without making the puppies look inferior. The people looking at $4000-$5000 would have still looked and you could have made the buyers happy with a little off.
by Baerenfangs Erbe on 20 June 2018 - 03:06
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