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by Lunastar on 31 March 2018 - 17:03

I'm talking about this dog:

An image

The legs look oddly tiny compared to the rest of the body and the head looks so large. I've never seen anything like this. Plus what is with those front legs, the pasterns are on the ground.

by vox on 31 March 2018 - 18:03

No, but the pasterns do make her legs seem a little short.

by Rhumphrey7 on 31 March 2018 - 18:03

I accidentally stumbled upon her and bought this dog as a rescued dog.I gave the rescuer a large amount of money for all her efforts to save her. The rescuer was not in the position to spend money on her complete rehab and I was. She is not a dwarf nor is she small, Yes her pasterns are not perfect but the vet has assured me it was a result of the environmental conditions she was subjected to before I got her ( most likely rickets). I actually bought her hoping I could give her a better life and totally rehab her. Some breeders would have put her down, but I believe that it is our responsibility as dog owners and breeders to correct these situations when we stumble upon them if we can, what ever it cost. These are the "Karma" test in life. To this day, you can not put any kind of collar on her. It took two months to get her to come to me when I called her. I put her on raw diet, kibble, and additives. We use a harness to take her back and forth to the vet.

Unfortunately there are people in this world who call themselves breeders who use severe methods to discipline dogs. (i.e. hanging them) I don't know who did it for sure or I would deal with them accordingly. I'm not ever going to part with her. She has a home with me forever. I have taken her to one of the best veterinarians in Florida last week. Dr Leigh McBride in Wildwood Fl for a thorough evaluation. She deemed her completely healthy. Complete blood panel, and no other medical or physical abnormalities other than the pasterns. Will she ever lift her pasterns, who knows? Probably not. If they were perfect, you would not ask the dwarf question. She actually weighs 65# at her last vet visit (last week) Dr Leigh told me to back of the protein. She runs, jumps and plays just like any other dog. Her height and weight are within breed standards. Dr Leigh believes she actually will pass hips and elbows should I decide to OFA her. Believe me if you would have seen her three months ago, you would not have believe she would have made it at all. There are always reasons for abnormalities in dogs, some are not genetic. I hope I have answered your question. Regards, the proud owner of Mali

by Hundmutter on 31 March 2018 - 18:03

Good on you, Rhumphrey7. Thanks for giving her a home, bet it isn't her fault her pasterns are so weak.  Sounds as though she may have had a terrible time for the first months of her life, poor thing.

I think she is lovely, (despite her pasterns).  Very best of luck with Mali for the future.


@Lunastar, I am sure if you Search PDB you can find plenty of earlier threds on Dwarfs which can familiarise you with their very distinct looks.

by ValK on 31 March 2018 - 19:03

"vet has assured me it was a result of the environmental conditions she was subjected to before"

i'm curious how such abnormality may develop by environmentally even if dog was in constant starvation?

other than front legs, she looks pretty normal albeit has some structural disproportion in ratio body to neck/head

delta von Avalik

by delta von Avalik on 31 March 2018 - 20:03

Rhumphrey7, I'm glad this girl is with you and I hope she has many good years ahead of her, she deserves it. I also think she is a nice looking dog despite her structural issues. In conjunction to her weak pasterns; I feel like it might also be a very awkward photo angle. The photo is taken from up top and slightly to the behind of her, that'll make almost any dog look "short"

Lunastar, I haven't seen many dwarfs, but the ones I have seen look very fox like in the face and just seem petite.

by hexe on 31 March 2018 - 20:03

RHumphrey7, it was good of you to take this poor girl in, and I'm glad she's in a forever home.

You said your vet told you he thought she her pasterns are down due to 'environmental conditions', but then you added "(most likely rickets)". Rickets is NOT an environmental condition--it's a nutritional one, the result of insufficient or improperly balanced calcium, phosphorus and Vitamin D in the diet during the growth phases of a puppy.

You're not planning on using her for breeding, though, are you? Structurally, she's not breeding quality, even aside from the pasterns...

by Rhumphrey7 on 01 April 2018 - 01:04

I can hardly blame the dog for nutritional insufficiency. By environmental conditions , that includes care, feeding, and training. I am one of 10 people who actually had owned the first cloned quarter horse. The genetics were the same but all 10 horses never reached 50% of the performance and progeny that the "cloned one" every produced or performed. Rickets is caused by pure and simple lack of necessary care, for me that's environmental as it can get. I know you don't know who I am, but I have a tremendous amount of experience in Genetic manipulation. i.e. line breeding, inbreeding, back masking, and RNA alteration. For those who really want to produce their own line of dogs and stop breeding the same gene pool over and over again, I would recommend as a starting place for the German Shepherd breed, a book written by Capt. William Goldbecker and Earnest H. Hart called This Is The German Shepherd. published in 1964. Chapter 5 deals with elements of true breeding. I realize there are many many articles and books on the subject, I probably have over 20 myself, but this one is easy reading and very inexpensive on EBAY. Besides I happen to agree with them. :) I realized that there are many other "professional breeders" out there with far more dog experience than I. I am but a novice in your German Shepherd world But the fundamentals of the genetics and breeding of any species are basically the same. I have bred and sold rabbits for $500. I have bred and sold eggs from racing pigeons for $300 a piece. I am in the beginning stages of building a 2000 acre stone crab farm using a patented state of the art technology that will produce over 20Million pounds of stone crabs a year. and of course will require an investment of over 15M dollars. I know there will be those with differing opinions than I, but that is why there is Ford, Chevy, and Dodge trucks. I have owned and bred over 180 quarter horse mares. I have been a part of embryo transfers by the hundreds, and as I stated earlier, I have bought and paid for (IMHO) a clone of one of the greatest horse producers in the Quarter horse world. It was a very expensive learning experience. I believe that anything not a result of genetic manipulation is environmental. Believe me I know what Mali is. Whether I breed her or not, (not) A true down-line replicated Confirmation trait is not produced on a consistent basis based on breeding "looks" alone. Remember there are two sets of chromosomes at work and if you breed on looks, it's always a crap shoot! BUT! EVEN A BLIND SQUIRREL FINDS AN ACORN NOW AND THEN. Be Blessed and Happy Easter

by Rhumphrey7 on 01 April 2018 - 01:04

I apologize if I come across as a "Know It All" I have come to realize the longer that I live, just how little I really know.

by Rhumphrey7 on 01 April 2018 - 01:04

After two private messages, just realized that her PDB wasn't posted. Here it is for those who wish to know.

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