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by Glock on 04 December 2017 - 04:12

Thanks for the correction. I recently read in a Hans Pegge interview where he refers to Kwinto as overall the best Duco II sons. But he also was quick to mention that Kwinto was not a social dog. Ducco was another KNPV legend and Pegge says he got Ducco as a 7 month old dog that was already labled dangerous and the owners could not control him.

by Rik on 04 December 2017 - 06:12

NoNo, I really did not call you a clown. Just that anyone saying that someone expressing their opinion on a message board that did not agree with yours was as stupid as someone believing 7 monkeys could dance on a pin head.

anyway if you took it that way I apologize.

I really just meant to say that when it cormes to the GSD, I don't think you have anything to point to of merit. nothing of recognition by any organization. you know, nothing, NoNO, NienNien, Zip, Nada. a keyboard faker *please don't take that as an insult and try to get me banned}.

but you can post your dogs and prove me wrong.

It looks like the mods are not going to let you direct traffic on this board. the best remedy for that is to post all those GSD with all those awards. Any awards, any country. Can't anyone argue with the results, even if the dog is standing in the bed of a rusted pickup trck.
best to you

Rik
owner/breeder/trainer of
GSD AKC Conformation/Obedieece, CKC Conformation, Obedience, German Sch Titled KKL, 2011 # 1 GSD southeast regeion. and a few pretty big wins mixed in with different dogs.

again,, what you got NONO besides a keyboard?

JMO,

Rik

 

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 04 December 2017 - 10:12

For all the experts and wiseguys here:

 

Rudie Pegge @ the KNPV championships 2004

https://vimeo.com/245686757

 

 

Duco was never owned by Hans Pegge but trained and owned by Rob Seegers........

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 04 December 2017 - 11:12

And this is why I don't claim to know anything about Dutch Shepherds. Know some of the producers and breeders here and there but my expertise lies with West German Working Lines.
I follow some breeders, like Celikers Homes (Netherlands/USA). He's just imported a GSD to the US that I've been following for a while.




by duke1965 on 04 December 2017 - 11:12

legends are best to be legends only, I met a few legends in my lifetime and reality was allways a dissapointment.

BE, Im no big fan of possesiveness, it a prey related trait Wink Smile, and combined with agression its definately not desirable

by Gustav on 04 December 2017 - 12:12

Civil dogs are suitable for LE, depending on the other overall characteristics of the dog!
BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 04 December 2017 - 12:12

 


Problem today with strong civil power dogs today are the people who can handle them

I have met more good strong quality dogs than good handlers/trainers in my life Wink Smile

 


 

 

yogidog

by yogidog on 04 December 2017 - 13:12

BE , don't like that in a dog far to much prey. For me I want a dog to spit the sleeve. But each to their own

by apple on 04 December 2017 - 13:12

There are some KNPV Mal X lines that are less prey based and very dominant, such that, their handlers don't use toys with them because they will get into a fight trying to get the toy back. The extremes you see in some of these lines are definitely different in what you see in GSDs for the most part. Some people breeding unregistered KNPV Mal X's have gone to different bloodlines because the older school lines can be so dominant and aggressive, people just can't handle them and end up returning them to the breeder.
Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 04 December 2017 - 14:12

Just to go back to something that was said earlier: I asked a handler/trainer with over 40 year's experience in training about dogs biting their handler for a correction. This guy has tons of experience with hard dogs (trained military/LE dogs for many years) as well as people's pets.

He said it has nothing to do with nerve strength. Many dogs will lash out if they feel a correction is unfair. Even a fear biter will lash out if it's been hurt by a hard correction. And, of course, someone's undisciplined house pet that's been allowed to get away with anything it wants will bite, because it's learned that's how it can get its own way.

Yes, a hard dog with good nerves may bite when corrected. It may also just shrug the correction off, and (hopefully) do what the handler wanted it to do instead.


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