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by darylehret on 03 December 2017 - 17:12

If what you mean by "hard headedness" is a lower level of natural obedience or cooperative behavior with the handler, THEN NO, there is definitely NO genetic link to civil behavior. I have had plenty of civil dogs who are VERY tractable, and non-civil dogs who are LESS tractable to their handlers.

by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 18:12

OK, NeinNein, I'll put it this way--hardheadedness is not exclusive to dogs that are civil, and civilness is not exclusive to dogs that are hardheaded.

Capisci?

 

Bravo. There is hope for you, Young Grasshopper.


by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 18:12

Baerenfangs Erbe wrote:

 

And no, it's not just how you raise them.... absolutely not!

 

Of course not. Was this directed at me? Did I ever say "just"? I happen to own an over-the-top civil dog that is a wonderful member of our household.

by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 18:12

Glock wrote:

 

I personally have not seen this extreme but I have seen dogs whose presence and sense of maleness alone that can spark fear in the average person.

 

I have. It is frigtening. I remember seeing one that shook me up so much that I thought I wouldn't return to the club. Rare, but they do exist.

by duke1965 on 03 December 2017 - 19:12

not being able to take away a ball from a dog has nothing to do with being civil, nor with being hardheaded, and since the most KNPV dogs are mixes out of mixes it is very hard to say what is coming from whereWink Smile

by Glock on 03 December 2017 - 19:12

There are dogs that exudes this no nonsense kind of power from their personality . Is this confidence?
I don't think it is fair to label these dogs as fear biters.

by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 19:12

duke1965 wrote:

not being able to take away a ball from a dog has nothing to do with being civil, nor with being hardheaded, and since the most KNPV dogs are mixes out of mixes it is very hard to say what is coming from where

 

Agree. It's just a dog being a douche to the owner(s) and it should have never gotten to that level in the first place.

by duke1965 on 03 December 2017 - 19:12

it got to do with level of possesiveness

by NeinNein on 03 December 2017 - 19:12

Duke 1965 wrote:

it got to do with level of possesiveness

 

Which would not even be an issue if the dog realized who the boss was.

 

When I first started in Schutzhund, a German trainer told me that the most important thing is that the dog knows you are the boss and ALWAYS the boss. Many owners have the idea that they are the boss when in fact they are not. Proof: A dog that just obeys some of the time (or just some commands).

by duke1965 on 03 December 2017 - 19:12

possesiveness is genetic trait, not a trained or untrained one, some stronger dogs you cannot train or command, not to be possesive

furthermore, civil dogs are extremely suitable for law enforcementWink Smile



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