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by vk4gsd on 21 March 2017 - 03:03

^ This point gets made endlessly. Surprised how some experienced breed folk here deny that fact.

Knpv lines are NOT some unique branch on the gsd ped tree.

 

Knpv guys go to IPO studs all the time.

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 21 March 2017 - 05:03


No they don,t go always to the IPO stud dogs

Here we go:

Caro Brandevoort,Pike Gardefense,Fairness Kevinsfarm, Cain Frankonia,Dasty Heukske, Dodge Kiridesja, all of this are certified KNPV PH-1 dogs and studs.

In some pedigrees you will see a mix from KNPV dogs and IPO dogs Heukske, Gardefense etc ,

True foundation is from the old schutzhund and IPO dogs ,it doesn,t matter a good dog can
succeed in IPO or KNPV there are strong good bloodlines  and fit better in both so you can select what  you wish.


by vk4gsd on 21 March 2017 - 06:03

Pike is all IPO.

Those IPO studs ph1 dogs , go back and you get IPO.

You are the one saying IPO dogs are shit knpv lines are great, sorry same lines.
BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 21 March 2017 - 07:03

 


VK the ........

Pike is out of Gideon Gardefense, Racker, Gento Haus Larwin ,Tosca, Laika all of this are PH dogs
and yes also some IPO dogs what  I said before if you read well.

Anyway It doesn,t matter if you read my post above well a good dog is a good dog .

And do some homework before you post all that BS....









 

 

by vk4gsd on 21 March 2017 - 07:03

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=472619-gideon-gardefense

 

 

Oops, your top knpv studs only exist because of IPO.

 

Stop trying to change reality.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 21 March 2017 - 08:03

LOL, Cain Frankonia is out of SCHH 3 parents...so your point is?
https://en.working-dog.com/dogs-details/923253/Cain-von-Frankonia

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 21 March 2017 - 08:03


So if you READ my post I wrote that all before. Pike is a mix from KNPV and IPO dogs
and PIke is certified in KNPV not in IPO !!!!

Schutzhund/ IPO is create special for the GSD there are millions over the years ofcourse in any GSD will IPO dogs...duh....

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 21 March 2017 - 08:03

LOL, Cain Frankonia is out of SCHH 3 parents (same sport, slightly different rules)...so your point is?
https://en.working-dog.com/dogs-details/923253/Cain-von-Frankonia

We can do this all day. All KNPV dogs come out of Schutzhund/IPO stock.

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 21 March 2017 - 08:03


My point is Cain is certified in KNPV , so not a IPO dog !!!!

And maybe  start reading some posts I wrote it now many times the foundation pedigree GSD  over the years is most of  all   IPO.. 

 

by vk4gsd on 21 March 2017 - 08:03

A dogs pedigree is more than parents. You can't show one gsd knpv line that is ph1 for more than a few generations. They are studs from living IPO dogs of the time.

You would have a point if you could demonstrate consistent ph1 studs exclusively for generations without dipping into IPO lines.

There are no knpv gsd lines, glad to be wrong.

Post the PEDs of unique knpv gsd going back 50-70 years, destroy me with facts.

Please no gideon examples who are dripping with solid, IPO with knpv popping off at the end.

I want an education, you only have supplied misleading info proven wrong and insults.


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