Max would Cry - Page 2

Frankie, the foundation bitch for the 'Panda' shepherd had spots like that:

Frankie came from 2 solid-coloured GSDs. It has been determined by genetic studies that her colour was due to a gene mutation, which is dominant for the piebald colour. 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=542954-lewcinkas-franka-von-phenom

 

http://imgur.com/gallery/qwXdV

The KIT mutation is lethal in the homozygous form:

https://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/dog/GermanShepherdPanda.php

 

The other gene that causes white markings is the Irish spotting gene. I believe that's the one that's recessive.

Mackenzie, this doesn't only happen in America. I believe some of the first were bred in Australia.

There's also a surprising number of them with the ability to work. Not the same can be said about other off-color dogs.

At the same time we were discussing Frankie on this board, another member had a Panda pup in Australia. They did the proper thing, though, and rather than breed it, they made sure it went to a good pet home on a spay/neuter contract.  Unfortunately, the picture links no longer work:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/community.read?post=540437-panda-shepherdwhat-do-you-think&p=19

I am not aware of anyone in Oz who actually deliberately bred Pandas.

Edit: if you look at Franka's pedigree, you will see just WHY so many Pandas can work. Her father is SchIII and many of her ancestors are working line dogs.  Even her dam's line has DDR dogs just 2 generations back.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=542954-lewcinkas-franka-von-phenom

" Frankie came from 2 solid-coloured GSDs. It has been determined by genetic studies that her colour was due to a gene mutation, which is dominant for the piebald colour. "

What kind of "genetic studies" ? Is there any source available ?

As far as I remember they only tested for parentage, nothing else, and the "parents" could be out of anything ( at least for me the interesting part is everything BEHIND the parent generation, and I would like to see a picture of mom, and mom´s parents, too ).

In case it´s really a "mutation" - Pieboldism is part of Leuzism, connected to a lot of health problems -
http://www.informatics.jax.org/marker/MGI:96677

I don´t mind, funny looking dogs, but why breed for them?

In case I´d be in charge of PDB I wouldn´t allow to enter descendants of this dog into the "German Shepherd Dog" section - they even call those dogs by themselves "Panda" Shepherds - the dogs are no German Shepherd Dogs any more, bred first and foremost for color, nothing else.

Why do we still find those dogs in the German Shepherd Dog section? The "Whites" got an own section, so should the "Pandas"...

Take a look at this inbreeding: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1969749-phenoms-lady-jayne

- this is the attempt to create a new breed, not the attempt to breed German Shepherd Dogs.

Forgot to mention - all these "Panda" dogs do have damned short front legs for German Shepherd Dogs...
take a look ( again-just my opinion ).

The whites that have their own section are dogs that are called White Shepherds, Berger Blanc Suisse and recognized as such by the UK, and Switzerland and other countries as a separate breed by the Hogg Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI).

The AKC white German Shepherds are in the GSD section.

AKC classifies the Pandas as GSD's. If and when they change the classification, then they will be changed, but as of now... they are listed in the GSD section of AKC and PDB

AKC may classify them as GSDs, but the rest of the world doesn´t....
Is PDB an International Board, or is PDB an American Board?

Forgot to mention: This doesn´t make any sense, too: "The AKC white shepherds are in the GSD section."

A "white" German Shepherd Dog is a "white" German Sheherd Dog - even within AKC it´s a major fault - and in this case you would need to remove any siblings out of AKC bred "white" GSDs....

It´s not the fault of the rest of the world that AKC is willing to register any dog.
 

What's the big at the moment with labs, a colour that was a cull for decades, I think yellow, is now in so much demand due to their rareness such that demand outstrips supply. They can't breed enough to supply the market.

VK, I really don´t care much about people trying to make their outcome out of dogs, as long as they don´t try to sell them as something they are not - breedable specimen according to the breed standard...

The "breed standard" ( for me ) is the breed standard of origin, not the breedstandard any second or third party wants it to be.... ( no matter the breed )

Everybody trying to breed "something else" should call it "something else" - be it "Panda", "Shiloh", or whatever - but those dogs definitely don´t belong into the breed section of origin.