Spartanville Shepherds - Page 3

Some very solid points Bee.

Hund: "How many times in that 13 years have people pointed out (not just on PDB) that there are no longer "100% DDR lines"

Hund there are dogs that are all eastline. Just like there are westline. 100% with many crap dogs is still 100%, but since almost none know the lines its a great marketing trick. Trade 100%, for known quality since people wont often go any further. I see many ads with this stuff. Nevertheless there are plenty of eastline dogs left.

The pedigree was a problem for me DDR Pending- DDR on file. I see this all the time DDR in the registry. It's the same issue.



 

Actually, there are no longer DDR dogs, yet there are dogs in whose pedigree, every dog can be traced back to a DDR dog. This is what most people mean by 100% DDR lines.

I don't believe that people are saying it to indicate that their dogs are DDR dogs, just that the DDR dogs are in the pedigree..... now probably 4th and 5 th generation, though there are still some left with DDR dogs in the 3rd generation. Soon even that will be gone.

These are breeders, I believe who are trying to maintain as many of the traits of the DDR dogs as possible. (Personally I love the big head of many DDR dogs) So I think that saying they have 100% DDR lines is a valid statement. How much influence it has on the current dog is another story.

If your great grandmother came from Germany, do you not say that you have German ancestors (come from German lines). Same thing.

Does this breeder have some questionable business practices? Absolutely. But my god…you ignored every single red flag in the book, and all the while proving how little you truly do care about the breed.

You contacted a breeder…she didn’t have anything available, but was looking for another breeding bitch. You agreed without either one of you knowing who that bitch would be, what her pedigree is, or what her temperament is. There was just this “DDR” thing keeping you with this breeder. On top of all that, the breeder wouldn’t be placing their best working prospects with you (not that they probably have any idea how to do that anyways), yet this would be a breeding dog?

This breeder uses countless marketing tricks to just get people’s money. Besides the DDR, they’re making people pay extra for a working prospect? Or at least a place in line? What? As a breeder you should WANT your dogs in working homes, you should be giving discounts to people that can make your dogs look great and get them out there and showing. You shouldn’t be asking for more money as if it’s some sort of elite class of people…not that any REAL working home would go to this person for a working prospect in the first place (at least if they wanted to compete). Working homes are FREE ADVERTISING for kennels, there’s no reason to be charging them more.

You sent a “deposit” that was more than 50% of the total price? What? That’s not a deposit. Yeah, at that point, you’re locked in, the breeder has your money, and you basically lose a ton of money (to most people) if you back out of the deal. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

Sorry, but after being in this business for that long, you should’ve known better. There are tons of great breeders out there that have puppies on the ground at any given point which you could put a deposit on AFTER they’re born. You could place a deposit and know that you’ll be getting a dog in less than 2 months. There are very very very few breeders out there that I know who have such huge demand that you need to be on a waiting list before a breeding pair is even decided on…I don’t even know a single WORKING or BREEDING home that would care to buy a prospect that way. I can’t stand breeders who take people’s money without knowing when they’ll be able to provide them with the product. The only breeders I know who take people’s money like that, are those that are worried their potential customers will go somewhere else because they know they don’t provide a superior or even equal product. They more than likely have problems selling their puppies and so they just need deposits as soon as they can get them to guarantee sales. For someone as focused on replacing your own aging male, you could’ve been on the hook for way longer than 2 or 3 years if the woman stopped breeding or had some other issues with whelping litters.

@Bavarian Wagon:  Absolutely.  Everything I could not say in my anger and frustration ^^^ !   

@Yvonne "Actually, there are no longer DDR dogs, yet there are dogs in whose pedigree, every dog can be traced back to a DDR dog. This is what most people mean by 100% DDR lines"

Thats why Im preferring the "eastline" for me, its the most accurate. If we use DDR Lines it still is a bit inaccurate. Very hard to find DDR dogs registered in the 3 generation. But I think many know what their doing, misleading wise. When you look at what some have produced and what they are breeding colorwise it paints a picture.

I think the OP and Connie are a match made in heaven, personally. Talk about deserving each other.

I have a really, really hard time sympathizing with someone over someone else's lies when all the while they are bragging about how they are simultaneously lying as well. I get it that the OP felt/was wronged, but c'mon now, if I murder a murderer, am I less of a murderer myself?! A liar is a liar. 

Such is the world of "DDR breeders" these days and reason 1,000,001 that I want nothing to do with any of them. The last of the good ones have died, I'm afraid. I'm totally with Gigante on losing the "DDR" moniker, too, when it comes to marketing. So many bad apples in the "DDR" orchard. 

Jaegar is not being bred. If I can get what I paid for him, super. Otherwise, he'll be neutered and the cost is just about what one of my pups go for + training.

I should have sold him to the snakes that came out from under rocks to buy him, but I wanted him in a better home. My mistake(?)

I don't want your sympathy, make no mistake

You expect to find him a "better home" by advertising ???

Just as well you are not looking for sympathy;  there is none forthcoming from this quarter.

Let me address a couple of more things, before I leave you all to criticize.

Yes, I wanted my money back somehow and I was going to try to get a litter out of him, place them unregistered and as always, spay/neuter agreement. I was upset. I thought better of it and changed my mind. I do not update that website like I should, that was old. Such is life.

Regarding Freida, she would have been almost 2, if not 2 by the time she was bred. (before you say something; she was prelim'd at 15 months) My 'anticipated', is exactly that, allowing for a window of time. Understand?

How would you suggest I find him a home, walk around the streets with a banner?  I have one interested local person.  Again, things don't happen instantaneously.  Maybe for you though.  Some thrive for instant gratification.

Byb?  I'll be whatever you want me to be in your little mind.  I think you handful of elitists should find a better way to make yourselves feel big. Opinions are just that.  But hey, you're the experts lol

You all have fun and overlook the real problems here.

Against my better judgment, I'll respond. EH, I think we nailed the real problems just fine and I don't see anyone trying to make themselves "big." You went into something with questionable motives (when it comes to breeding ethics, anyway), got taken despite having many opportunities to pull the plug, and then to compensate for your "losses," you sunk to her level and bragged about it. 2 people set out to screw each other- who cares who did it first? Both claim to care about the "breed." Your own website and direct admissions are what did the most damage to your "case," EH.

I kind of thought people were pretty good about sticking to the facts in this case and not going way over the top, as has happened many times in the past, honestly. It's not that anyone is defending Spartanville; it's just that we read your story and are left scratching our heads like "Um, pot...kettle...???"

It's the dogs who suffer in these kinds of feuds and they can be hard to make heads or tails of. They nearly always include a part about how poorly the "wrong" party's dogs are, yet they're rife with contradictions. It's so bad at Connie's house, but you were going to send the dog back there because it's the "right thing." Really? So is it not that bad at Connie's OR do you maybe not care as much about the dog/s as you lead us to believe? Can't really have it both ways, to my way of thinking.

This may be a personal thing, but it *really* bugs me when someone claims someone's dogs are not well-cared for and they do business with them anyway, or worse, when they think it's no big deal so long as they're getting what they want, but when it goes south, they claim to be appalled at the conditions. Well, if you were appalled at the conditions, do something to help!!!!, don't just look the other way. Either you are appalled and care or you don't care and you're just like the owner. There is not much of a gray area there. And if the dogs are fine and someone says they're not, well, that's the lowest of the low, imo, to falsely accuse someone of mistreating animals.

Ok...rant over. Happy Saturday.