Sable puppy showing in AKC - Page 5

"USA" for USCA - yes a lot of American users of PDB do use that and it annoys the heck out of me too in reading those posts.

Les, the likes of you & I - and probably Susie too, really - may not care a jot what judges under the AKC Standard are looking for; unfortunately I doubt that will be true of (whatever the OP of this thred's username was ?) or they wouldn't have asked the question.

@ Reliya unfortunately people obsessed with the fine points of the breed - in which I count myself to some extent - DO get off on arguing at this sort of level. And cos we are spread all over the planet and not sitting at the side of a showring somewhere, arguing the toss for hours, we have to take our opportunities on a forum like this one. Probably annoying for those not so deeply involved/interested, but it IS one way to learn things at that detailed level, if the reader can bear with it & hang in there, reading it and gradually absorbing it all !

Since I'm probably the youngest person here, I want everybody to know that "OP" is our "lazy, abbreviated kid speak" for the "original poster" in a forum, so there's no more confusion.

Les, I'm confused (probably because it's 2am). Are you saying that long stock coats are considered as a different breed somewhere, and did you ask how long the cross-breeding would last there since they're considered different breeds? Or are you saying that it's a different variety within the German Shepherd Dog breed, and you're wondering when they'll be banned from being bred (again)?

Hund, I'm fascinated by the breed also, but I think arguing over a letter is a little strange. Technically, yes, the D should be capped. However, if somebody doesn't do it, ah well. I'd be happy that they even included "dog" at the end, since a "German shepherd" is a person.

It gets away from the original point of the post to go too far into these details.

I am cursing the programmer of the word-processor that Oli added to the pdb. Thanks to it refusing to Save, but then showing that it had saved an only partially formatted version of my work, I have spent the whole day doing NOTHING but struggle with the pdb. If a word processor has a limit, there should be a WARNING stating when you reach or pass that limit. The 3 hour limit for editing is NOT helpful in such cases. I am NOT a touch typist.

 

[Reliya] 15 June 2016 - 07:06

● "Since I'm probably the youngest person here, I want everybody to know that "OP" is our "lazy, abbreviated kid speak" for the "original poster" in a forum, so there's no more confusion."

Sorry - you don't get your wish. Maybe you haven't noticed just how many pages long some of the "argumentative" threads in the pdb get. Forget "OP" and instead state WHO that poster was. In many cases it is advisable to also include the date&time-stamp of the message, so that when your "kid speak" is garble (as a teacher, I considered that kids under the age of 7 weren't yet human...), the READER can locate the source of whatever your gibberish referred to, and MAYBE from there be able to render comprehensible what the "lazy, abbreviated" part and the Devil urged you to produce.

 

● "Les, I'm confused (probably because it's 2am)."

So you reckon that it's got nothing to do with the low-alcohol beer plus marijuana plus methamphetamine you've been enjoying? It COULD be that you are confused because WITHOUT my formatting my phrasing is hard to follow. I've never worked out the Reading Age required to cope with my writing since I retired from teaching, but I'm sure it won't be at the 10 year old level used by modern newspapers (they used to be at the 12 year old level when I was a boy).

 

● "Are you saying that long stock coats are considered as a different breed somewhere,"

That's EXACTLY what the situation is almost everywhere - if their classes are separate, they are DIFFERENT BREEDS, as with Bulldogs and French Bulldogs, as with Cocker Spaniels and American Cocker Spaniels, as with Standard Poodles and Toy Poodles. Ignore The KC(UK), the AKC, the CKC (a good trio to ignore, apart from paying your fees if you foolishly live in a country where one of them is the official kc). Go to

http://www.nzkc.org.nz/dogselect.html

and scroll down to German Shep. Go to

http://ankc.org.au/Breed/Index/5?Search.ItemsPerPage=10&Search.GroupID=5&page=2

and scroll down to German Shep. You might accept http://www.deutsche-schaeferhund.com/en/the_breed/long_coat.html

whose English is almost as confusing as my French.

 

● "and did you ask how long the cross-breeding would last there since they're considered different breeds? Or are you saying that it's a different variety within the German Shepherd Dog breed, and you're wondering when they'll be banned from being bred (again)?"

The first half is true. Your last sentence is askew. Few people in doggy forums use the verb "to breed" correctly. That part of what I've asked my SV friend is whether there has been any NOTIFIED INTENTION as to whether:

(1) inter-breeding between the 2 breed-varieties is disallowed, or

(2) inter-breeding between the 2 breed-varieties will be disallowed (when "enough" LSHs are registered? Or after so many years?), or

(3) inter-breeding between the 2 breed-varieties will be allowed forever.

Do you expect to be able to register a BSD Malinois x BSD Groenendael litter as ‎Groenendaels even though they are yellow-sables and their parents are in different BREED Registers?

As a person who was raised in farming communities, and whose dogs sleep out in their pens most nights, I personally see no attraction in the LSH coat, although I DID once keep one as an "insurance policy" in case I lost that bloodline (unfortunately by the time I NEEDED her she was no longer fertile), so I was quite happy when they could be BS.Cl.2 but not BS.Cl.1.

And now to have a bath then eat dinner and wonder what else has turned up today while I've been cursing the pdb's word processor.

I'm in the United States military, so I can't take meth or smoke marijuana. I've never tried, and I have little interest in doing so once my career is over. I did, however, drink alcohol last month to celebrate my mother's birthday. Not my cup of tea (or maybe I should say, not my bottle of whiskey).

[Hundmutter] 15.6.2016 - 07:06

● "Les, the likes of you & I - and probably Susie too, really - may not care a jot what judges under the AKC Standard are looking for; unfortunately I doubt that will be true of (whatever the OP of this thred's username was ?) or they wouldn't have asked the question."
She's [ladybossgsd] - as if any Yank can be a Lady! - Yanks are forbidden to accept foreign titles.

And she appears to have Florida friends close to the USCA.


[Reliya] 15.6.2016 - 07:06

● "Hund,"

I kinda think she'd rather be called "Mother" - which is what "mutter" stands for in the same language that uses "hund" to stand for a dog.

But politer is to forget the urge to abbreviate everything, and instead take the time to type her ID/username.

 

● " I'm fascinated by the breed also, but I think arguing over a letter is a little strange. Technically, yes, the D should be capped."
Not JUST "Technically" - it is part of CLARITY. (And "capped" refers to a university graduate or a person who has represented his/her nation in international sport, or a bottle that has been sealed by a cap, or the situation where a feat or joke has been surpassed by the next one. The word you wanted was either "capitalised" or "upper-cased".) Punctuation is IMPORTANT, Compare these 2 sentences:
Bob helped his Uncle Jack off the stallion.
Bob helped his uncle jack off the stallion.

● "However, if somebody doesn't do it, ah well. I'd be happy that they even included "dog" at the end, since a "German shepherd" is a person."
That you RECOGNISE that fact indicates that there is hope for you! But you're not "there" yet - a "German shepherd dog" is a shepherd dog in Germany - possibly an Alt Deutscher, but not necessarily so, as all sorts of cross-breeds can do herding - some Collie-style, some GSD-style, some Huntaway-style.

The need for capital initials relates to the elements of every proper noun = names of books, breeds, films, people, places, etc. In them, the only words that don't require a capital letter are the internal connectives sich as "aus", "de", "of", "from", "vom", "von der", "zur".    

● "It gets away from the original point of the post to go too far into these details."
Maybe. But people who take the trouble to "get it right" are better communicators.


[Reliya] 15.6.2016 - 11:06

● "I'm in the United States military, so I can't take meth or smoke marijuana."
Ya rekkin? Historically, armies have been heavy users of "Dutch Courage" and other nerve-deadeners. But the timing has to be right - for folks who prefer to survive the campaign they are not ideal while on sentry-duty....

● "I did, however, drink alcohol last month to celebrate my mother's birthday."
She's finally agreed to admit that she is at least 21 and so old enough to drink and vote, huh?
 
● " Not my cup of tea (or maybe I should say, not my bottle of whiskey)."
Ye filthy Irishman! (Actually, I suspect a colleen.) Ye should try th' bonny uisquebaugh kenned by kilties as "whisky, the water of life".

It´s # ( 1 ), Kiwi, written down in the "Zuchtordnung, Fassung 2014, point 4, page 6,

http://www.schaeferhunde-mv.de/attachments/article/22/Zuchtordnung%20Fassung%202014.pdf

easy to find.

About the "different countries" - I believed you wanted to tell me that the "real" translation for "Deutscher Schäferhund" should be "German Shepherd", instead of "German Shepherd dog (or Dog, as I learned right now ). That much about the "language barriere"...

OP = ORIGINAL poster ( I said "initial" because I thought that´s easier to understand - my fault - O = ORIGINAL ), guess, my English sucks, but when using a "acronyme finder" you should think about the context ( in this case forum ).

Blues, livers, whites - they are not allowed for breeding within SV, they are more than seldom, so there is no real reason to "test" for color. "We" already are the word champions of "rules" and "tests", I guess "color" is a minor problem ( but that´s just my opinion ).

 

"As for the IPO/SchH training - you are welcome to find it "fun", but you need only look at Australia, Britain, Canada, New Zealand, the USA and work out the percentage of GSD owners (and BSD, Rottweiler, etc owners) who qualify their stock in IPO/SchH compared to the percentage who DON'T, to realise that the relatively high percentage of GSDs that compete in DogSport where you are is due to #1 a little bit of pride in being able to get a dog to operate as a partner and #2 a LOT of compulsion if the owner wants to breed from the GSD or campaign it to gain V at LGSchauen and aim for VA at the BSZS."

 

I don´t find it "fun" that outside of SV everybody is able to breed any dogs looking like German Shepherd D(!)ogs without any proof of working abilities or health tests ( varies from country to country ).

For "us" it´s pretty easy - either you follow the rules or you are not allowed to breed - no working "title" = no breed survey = no breeding.

Although some of our dogs still are not "breedworthy" according to the "original" thought of "working ability", at least the total crap is weeded out, and that´s a lot more than nothing.

Kiwi, I really think you do have a lot of knowledge, and it´s good you came over here, but this is no school, we don´t need a teacher, we need someone willing to discuss, explain, if necessary, but at eyelevel, because the members of this forum are adults, not your pupils.

The "OP" asked a honest question, she didn´t want to become involved in the tricky world of dog politics, she just wants to have fun with her dog. She asked about "AKC", she is living in the USA, and I hope she got her answers.

Kind regards
 

I think, Les, that - even when correct - like many gentlemen of a certain age, especially ex-pedagogues, you think you are being amusing; unfortunately you often come across as pedantic and (dare I say it ?) a bit of a bully ! Ah well, I suppose it is worth putting up with that for the pearls of wisdom you can also provide.

Reliya, and anyone else who cares, I'm here to say I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ALL THE POSTERS WHO ADDRESS ME AS 'HUND'.