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So now owning a gun is selfish!? Actually, onyone owning ANYTHING is selfish in the true sense of the word. A selfless person is a dead person. I hope you don't back out your driveway and kill a loved one with your car. That's pretty selfish ( the way you imply the meaning) owning a car and polluting the environment. Riding a bike is more politically correct..but, oh yeah, not safe riding a bike in traffic or unprotected by locked doors and rolled up windows when in a seedy part of a town. See how that works? You say you accept the responsibility for the dangers of using a motor vehicle...that won't help much if you accidentally back over a kid in your driveway or in a Walmart parking lot. See how that works? More people are killed by motor vehicles than guns.....I very seldom use a gun or even handle one. But you drive frequently, I gather from what you've said. So the odds are much greater in your favor, that you'll accidentally kill someone with your vehicle, than the odds that I'll ever accidentally shoot anyone. Its all about perspective.

Joan, It is all about common sense. Plenty of people accidentally shoot their guns. I don't need a gun to get to work. I don't need a gun to buy groceries, I don't need a gun to go to Drs appointments, I don't need a gun to go buy dog food but I do need a car to do those things. You in your own words need a gun for safety - you have said it over and over. So, what I am saying is while I may drive over a kid who is hidden in a blind spot in my driveway and I may kill them. It isn't the same thing as saying I own a gun for safety and accidentally shooting your husband with this gun you bought for safety. Go ahead twist my words all you want, you seem to really be trying to twist and turn in every direction to support the guns you own for the sake of safety. I do not own my car for the sole purpose of safety. I have said this before and I will say it again - you are no safer with a gun than without one.

 

"More people are killed by motor vehicles than guns....." No kidding, because people drive billions of miles a year - are guns fired billions of times a year. You can't compare car accident deaths to accidental shootings. If you want to compare accidents. Wouldn't it be more realistic to compare accidental knife deaths with gun deaths? After all you bring up over and over that knives are just as deadly as guns.

You can twist my words all you want, it does not change the fact you and millions of others claim to own your guns for personal safety. But I do not know many people who claim to own cars for their personal safety. Guns are a form of control pure and simple, you feel more in control of your personal space with a gun nearby.  Again, you are no safer with a gun than without one. Why do you think people use weapons to commit crimes is it for their safety or is it to control those they are victimizing? Finally, you brought up earlier the case of the rapist who got his gun taken away by that lady and she killed him with his own gun - was he safer? How did having that gun make him safer? So, every time I hear someone say they own guns for their safety I cringe just a little.

 

Goodnight.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/more-guns-more-dead-cops-study-finds-n409356

'Guns are a form of control pure and simple, you feel more in control of your personal space with a gun nearby.'

How in the hell do you know what I feel!?
Sounds like you watch too many gangster movies...like, 'say elloooow to my leeettle friend! ' Being a moderator on this forum is a form of control!
Look, just because you don't like guns, doesn't give you the ability to know what people think or feel...really, really presumptuous. Your attitude about gun owners in general gives insight to groups who hate because of disagreement on lifestyle....you can't impose your wish for gun-free country on me, so you resort to denigrating me.
You are still more likely to accidentally kill someone with your car, than I am to accidentally shoot someone. Owning a car is a form of control, how about you pronounce this way; you feel more in control of your personal space with your car nearby.
Who cares if you cringe a little...certainly not me. I'm not living my life to prevent you from cringing.

"Finally, you brought up earlier the case of the rapist who got his gun taken away by that lady and she killed him with his own gun - was he safer? How did having that gun make him safer? "
First; the slimeball was a serial MURDERER! He was in the process of murdering the woman with his hands, his gun fell on the ground from where ever he was carrying it, she was able to grab it from the ground and shot him dead. The GUN SAVED her LIFE !
Second; Do you really believe that a SERIAL MURDERER carries a gun for his SAFETY??!!
Talk about twisting words!

You really believe this monster 'carried a gun for safety' ?
http://m.timesrecord.com/node/820819#.Vc4KtqMpDMI

BTW, the woman who was able to save her own life with a GUN( and those on the list found on him after he was shot dead) had a dislocated shoulder, fractured vertibra and strangulation marks on her throat...you call him a 'rapist' when he dismembered his victims and scattered their body parts along interstates after he killed them by hand, not with a gun...yeah, he varied a gun for his own safety, I guess just in case somebody sneeked up on him while he was chopping his victims up. Get real, gsd.

Okay, number one being an admin of this forum has more downfalls than it has upsides. Never been a control type of person - never. I don't like it and don't want it. I do this because I was asked and my personality doesn't allow me to be pushed around much. I would love to see any other person run this place, I could sit back and piss and moan about every decision someone else makes. Back seat drive them to death. I will move on in the near future because this place and a certain % of its users are some of the most ungrateful lost souls I have ever had the displeasure of working with. See I don't need control but I have no problem controlling when it is needed. I also am not likely to put up with non-sense members whether they know dogs or not.

Instead of commenting on the link again you go after my words and twist them around. I believe yes a serial killer carries a gun for control and yes HIS safety, in his own eyes. Notice he didn't shoot her dead but instead was trying to strangle her, guns produce noise and therefore most serial killers of this type do not want to actually use the gun - common sense there. Whether a person is a slimeball is irrelevant. The gun didn't save her it wasn't her gun. She was had, the killer made a mistake with his own gun and it cost him his life, no more and no less. Is the world a better place without this guy, yes it is.

How do I know guns make you feel safer - you have only said it numerous times directly and implied. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Common sense and the act of watching people over many many years tells me all I need to know. Presumption is not needed when your own words spell it out clearly.

I resort to denigrating you, where the fuck do you get that from, own all the fing guns you want, hell own an armory for all I care. If anyone should feel denigrated it should be me - remember I am the one who was called paranoid and whatever. Then you have the nerve to say being a moderator here is a form of control, funny I always thought of it as being in charge of a of a small % of little kids, who don't know the difference between a persons opinions and the right to say what I want in a free society. You preach freedoms but as soon as someone disagrees with your opinions you follow them around and bring up snide remarks about things you disagree with them on. I have no problem you like guns but you aren't really safer nor should you feel much securer.

Now if you don't mind, quit twisting my words and start commenting on the posts at hand. I noticed the little deflection of the story I posted and no where in your 2 posts do you make a comment on the study posted, because again you now want to follow me around and get your snide little remarks in, go ahead have at it because I think most members here can clearly see what you do.

Ho- hum. Just more projection and more ranting.

But your tirades are what??????????????????????????????????????

BTW.

Have a good night, Joan.

I would love to see some on topic opinions of the study I posted.

When the consitution was written, people had MUSKETS, not guns with magazines. If someone wants to carry a musket, ok, but I see NO reason for people to have semi automatic guns with magazines that wipe out an entire area at once, killing everyone :(