How is this possible??? - Page 1

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2158158-margman-yaffa

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2158158-margman-yaffa

 

Yes it is possible and the truth, a Russian breeder has DOMINANT black gene color in his strain of German Shepherd. How he did it he refused to tell me

SOOO COOL. I know that black may not be everybodies cup of tea, but I love it that the gene can be followed all the way through the dam side.

Any details on this dam (does she generally produce high drive dogs)? Is there anyway to see if any of her line is in the US with the dominant gene?

This is said to be the source:
Click on picture for pedigree.

V(USSR) Goya 

 

OKD 1, ZKS 1
Dam born : 29. May 1987

Former Dominant Black Threads:
1.False Pedigrees or WhaLA! Dominant Black... - Page 1
2.The Dominant Black Gene - Page 1
3.DNA testing for long coat / dominant black / coat colors - Page 1
Possible American Dominant black source: Keystone Ava 
 

May be Frei von der Gugge somewhere back there also..I did not find him but have not searched all the way on top side.

This move is going to take the beauty of the show dog a way

I read the thread about the bleed through on the solid blacks..MY   Queen von der Held has the touch of dark brown between her toes And when shedding season comes her red tints of undercoat come to top until she is brushed..

this dog may be black ..hard to tell on Queens top side back to 1957

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1609-reina-vom-holzheimer-eichwald   black  ???

I was looking for my favorite  V Frei von der Gugge.. IN my female Queen Von der Held black female  Frei von der Gugge is there   back in 1966 behind  Asko shada vom Wolffhaus.a black female on dams side being the grandmother of Queen .

 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2148796-queen-von-der-held     black

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=423839-askos-shada-vom-wolffhaus black

and behind Askos

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1250-frei-von-der-gugge  VA   black  

who was BSP Enno v Antrefftal 's sire blk/red

Immediately behind we have Orthos grdam

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=19865-esthera-van-tiekerhook Black

 

Then on dams side we find

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=120383-diablo-von-den-teutonen   black male behind Kiah

Then again VA http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1250-frei-von-der-gugge   black, appears again on Dams side back to 1966?

Then http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2920-blacky-vom-neuen-lande   black, bottom of dams

Then  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1747-vello-von-der-niddereiche  black

followed again VAhttp://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1250-frei-von-der-gugge   Black

Other Black dogs in this pedigree are: Rangers Dark Shadow,  Schexeiders Tessie , Pascha  V Raben flugel, Sheba Sergeivitch Pushkin

SO is FREI V D GUGGE the contributing factor since he is in this pedigree 4 times /or more  top and bottom????

 

So Queen is black because recessive?She has been only bred to Black/red, never had a black pup.???Queens parents are both Black/Tan

Christine   where are you ....

 

.these below I just found behind the dog posted in another post above.

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=462648-jung-bendix-von-raff      1912

Then behind Jung is this black dog. born in 1903

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1120-roland-von-starkenburg

Hey Rose How are you? I read in that book on the Fortunate Fields program that Roland was the first black and they also showed all the linebreeding and inbreeding regarding where the black came into play. I don't have a scanner--I will try to go Monday to my friend's office and scan that page for you.