help..... i need advice on my two 8 month old german shepherd pups - Page 8

Do you see what Markobytes is saying? If you have a mentor, did they help you select these puppies as good foundation stock ?   You say that you will breed for health and temperament, yet you failed to recognise that mega-e in the lines is somewhat of an issue, did your mentor not raise the issue of mega-e either?  Did your mentor agree that health, temperament and conformation was so good in this litter it was a good source of foundation stock? How do you even know what the temperament is like? Or do you not listen to what your mentor's advice either?

You come to ask for advice, you see any criticism/questioning/advice as 'bashing' because it isn't the answer you want. The fact that you cannot differenitate between it and take everything as a personal attack just highlights your supreme immaturity.  What you say and what you 'do' don't match up. Your goals as pointed out are unrealistic. It is easy to 'say' you will stand behind your dogs if they need to come back, have health issues etc....but do you appreciate the resources you would need to do this?  What 'resources' do you have?

You had a bad experience first time out, but I don't understand what you learned from that experience. It seems you just jumped right in and bought  a puppy to breed.  You must ask yourself what you know about GSD health issues, breeding lines, what to avoid, what different lines produce.......I could go on and on.  You are unaware that the setup with the breeder selling the puppies is not entirely uncommon and is certainly not underhand. You need to recognise how little you know.   Do you know what dogs are implicated in epilepsy?  You love dogs but are prepared to risk producing pups that could have to endure a lifetime of health problems, because you are 'making mistakes' as you learn. Ugh.

It's frustrating, I see litters of puppies advertised that are bred by people who just don't know (ignorant) or just don't care, every day of the week in the free ads, and I hate to see someone else hell bent on taking the short route there. They talk a good story too.

Abby Normal

My mentor had nothing to do with this at ALL. I found the breeder myself and I bought the female the brother I got for free. The breeder told me about the mega e in the brother. She believes that with mega e it is gentic but that doesnt mean if she was bred that the puppies will have it. They could she told me. I did recongize it and all this. I bought these dogs or bought the female NO ONE I repeat NO ONE told me where to buy a dog from. I thought honestly I could try and do things myself so Abbby Normal your very rong. I have a mentor now. At the time being I did NOT. I thought thr breeder where I got these pups from wpuldve mentored me but did no such thing. I understand what everyone is saying I really do. Im not fighting with anyone anymore all u people do is love to blame and bash people. Some do help and give good advice but others are ridicules. Yes people do learn from their mistakes. I have heard this before. People learn from all their mistakes they have made in their life u people act like u never did make any mistakes. I understand when u do become a breeder u do your best NOT to make a mistake well again im soo sorry im not perfect like you people I really am. Alot of u people became breeders and I know some of u if not alot of u learn how to do it and follow your dream. This has always been my dream. My mentor that I have NOW is teaching me everything I need to know making sure I do NOT make the mistake anymore. Dont u people think im tired of making mistakes dont u. Im not making anymore im sticking with my friends from now on and thats it. Again im very sorry im not an expert yet but in order for u all to become experts u learned and did research and did all the things im doing so do me a big favor stop acting like u never made any mistakes in ur life bcs u have and dont tell me u haven't. As far as my mentor goes and or mentors leave them out of this they have nothing to do with this whole situation. They didnt tell me to buy any dog from anyone. I did that myself

use your mentor more and the data base less. 

Call me whatever u would like. I know the difference between cristism and bashing and all this and I am very mature for my age. The fact that u DO NOT KNOW ME NONE OF YOU DO PISSES ME OFF. Im tired of defending myself when i know for a fact some of u just have nothing better to do then to blame and bash people for no reason. Now some do give good advice in case u have not read Abby all my message I have taken some advice and understood it and thanked the people that have. Its the fact called feelings. Read the definition on what those r. The bashing and all this does hurt my feelings however I do take the advice and listen to it. You do not know ANYTHING about me nor my situations. I thought she was a reputable breeder because of the temperment testing she does and all this. She claims they werent hers she claims she bred her male with someones female she also claims she didnt whelp the puppies she just helped sell them. Now heres the thing u didnt post that on ur website so in deed that would be false advertisement dont u think. I understand the mistake I did I really do but the fact that this is getting pinned all on me upsets me because the breeder does have alot of fault in this too. Like I said I understand where everyone is coming from I really do but do NOT sit there and accuse me of being immature and all this when im far from that trust me on that. Do u know me no u do not so u dont have that right to make that assumption about me. The people that do know me know im mature and a kind hearted person. I really am a nice person at heart as well. I get token advantage of being how nice I am tho. Again how am I suppose to know this and that when the breeder doesnt say nothing on her website about that not to mention how am I suppose to know these dogs have hernias when I thought as a breeder u would tell me that. Also knowing a dog has mega e that means the whole litter carries it she shouldnt have sold me her being that she knew I wanted to at least do my dream if it all pans out. Yes I did buy her knowing I took her brother ith mega e but it is NOT the dogs fault at all. Its the breeders fault knowing they have mega e in the lines and bred them anyways. Yes its a cruel world in the dog world I get that now. I get that I made a mistake im eating it now. However to get my nose shoved in it like dog shit isnt the right thing to do. I have learned a valuable lesson I do have nice dogs just not breedable thats fine. My girl will be spayed so thats fine. Ill just start over which I am going to. I know this happens and not every dog is for breeding I do realize u cant keep them if they arent breedable meaning u cant keep all I realize this. However im sorry dogs to me arent toys to breed and just throw away like their trash. My dogs have a great home here and this is where they r going to be. I am enjoying them however im still going to follow my dream. Im just going to stsrt over. It does suck people do what they do but I do know NOT every dog is breedable for w e the reason so I realize that o really do

To Jersey Girl 22:

You have gotten a lot of good advice here.  Some you liked and some you didn't.

Before you bought your bitch and got her brother for free did you research about mega-E and the genetics of it?

Did you research the health problems associated with the German Shepherd dog and the different tests to determine if the breeding stock is clear of the problems?

Did your mentor help you pick this breeder?  Why?  If she/he didn't, you have only yourself to blame.

If you have answered these questions in some of your previous extremely verbose posts,  I am sorry I missed them but your posts are very hard to read without paragraphs and spelling. To be honest, you sound like you are about 12 years old.

I am not meaning this to be unkind but it is almost as bad as waterboarding to try and read your posts.

Jersey wrote: " However im sorry dogs to me arent toys to breed and just throw away like their trash. My dogs have a great home here and this is where they r going to be."

This was the best sentence I read following all these pages...
A lot of us did forget WHY we are dog owners. For all of them who forgot: We became dog owners because at one point of our life we loved dogs.
Being a good dog owner is difficult, sometimes we need to make decisisions we don´t like.
This means, that our dog is our companion, we are responsible, and in this case responsibility means keeping the dogs, having a lot of fun with them, giving them a good life.
Jersey, your dogs don´t care about breeding, but they do care about you. Everything else the future will show.

use the data base less!

She actually needs to use the database, alot more....how are you suppised to learn things, if you don't go looking for help.
    A little less detail goes alot further....
Even tho many are 'less than welcoming' to those that are not as educated, or do not express themselves so clearly as others,
    If the door keeps getting shut on this girl, she IS going to move forward with her plans, but she is goung to do so with the guidance of those that keep shafting her.
    While I 'try' to help her, my way is not the only way she should be looking. She definately needs a lot of help in what she aspires to do, shit, I'm still looking to learn "Everyday"....
    IF she had asked me about the dogs she got now, I would have told her to run as far, and as fast as she could from that 'breeder'.

learn all you can. use keyboard less. Every issue she has had is handled many times over and over on this site. Even on her thread!