Large breeders - Page 1

I was curious to know what might be the definition of a large scale breeder/kennel, and what are the examples of such large kennels from the WL (preferably) or SL. I am curious to know if these large scale breeders produce top dogs, or do small kennels have the edge when the production is normalized (ie a top dog/100 pups produced or something like that). Definition of a top dog is nebulous, but its like porn vs art, you know it when you see it.

 

Difficult to answer - ONE extraordinary dog ( be it show- or workingline ) is enough for potential buyers to ask for puppies with the same kennel name ( not even the same ancestors...)
That said, a kennel, that is known for a good dog, will sell to people who TRAIN their dogs, as a result some of these dogs will achieve high ratings, and on and on...

A smaller kennel does have difficulties to find suitable handlers for its dogs, though...

MY definition of a large kennel: There are 10 litters allowed in Germany during one year, and that´s already a lot for someone who does have a regular job, but some kennels avoid this rule in founding new kennels, owned by children, or wifes. These are LARGE breeders in my opinion!

Without any judgement, only for clarification:

Vom Salztalblick - Von der Salztalhöhe - Vom Haus Salztalblick ( 30 litters possible ) as an example for a workingline kennel
Vom Holtkämper See - Vom Holtkämper Hof - Vom Holtkämper Tor ( 30 litters possible ) as an example for a showline kennel

But taking a look at the Czech ( mostly workinglines ) and American websites that´s not even much
 

Susie:
     That's an interesting tidbit, I did notice the same with the Grafental kennel and was why wondering they have a second lesser known kennel run by the daughter. Ofcourse, it might be a genuinely independent operation, who knows.

I had read somewhere, that some of the famous SL kennels produced thousands of dogs/year in the past, dont know if such kennels still exist. What database do you use to study gsd's ?. Something that a non-german speaker could also use. is there a place where i could study the output of a kennel during a given year ?.
 

Grafental and Ludwigseck are the same. Ludwigseck is in his daughter's name for litter numbers only. He runs both shows. 

It´s still the breed / koerbooks in written form, SID online, and SV genetics, but all of that not for free, sorry.
Only a sidenote: No German kennel produced 1000´s of dogs/year at any time, that´s one of the interesting rumors about the German Shepherd breed.
Without paying money the best source for numbers still is Janie´s weblog bloggen.be/hd/
He does count the breedings of the large kennels more or less monthly. You´ll like it.
 

Yes, I think I had read high numbers from his work. I dont understand the German, but does it not say that Bad-Boll had 1636 pups in a year and many others had similar high numbers (see below). Can you pl. provide a link to SID online, have not heard of that.

http://gsd-legends.eu/Varia/SV-Zuechter-Top-100-Umsatzberechnungsmodell.pdf

 

that's for a 24 year period. no per annum.

That means, eg 1636/24=68 per year. That's like 8-10 litters per year. That does not seem too high ?, some large czech breeders might have that (68) in a month ?, what am I missing ?.

You do miss nothing - in Germany we are restricted to 10 litters - as I told you before, there are breeders outside of Germany ( Czech is a good example ) breeding much more.
http://www.schaeferhunde.de/site/service/sid-online/
This is SID online.
 

the main issue is/was that per SV rules, breeding, and trading in fact, as a commercial undertaking by members is not allowed. the numbers were put together to formalize an argument that producing, say, eight to ten litters per annum over a long period of time is not a hobby. yet, it's done by a number of breeders and the SV must be aware of it (as the litters had been registered with the SV).