I need some guidance for my next pup... West german WL or Czech?? - Page 2

So many of the DDR and/or Czech bloodlines are now being mixed with the West German Dogs simply to give them balance...In most German Shepherd circles the West German Dogs are the Cadillac of the German Shepherd...

Not sure of your experience but as others have said...Do your homework and check out a lot of dogs...Know what it is that you're wanting...Be a knowledgeable buyer...

It matters what you're wanting...A Puppy...Young Dog...or Adult...A good BALANCED dog can be trained to do almost anything you want...The problem is with a puppy it's sometimes hard to be sure what you're getting...

~Bob~

I have seen some amazing West German Czech crosses!  Whatever you chose go see the parents if at all possible.  I'm not really thrilled with the Czech stuff I have worked with over the last 5 years.

I have been very impressed with a lot of the WG x Czech dogs I have seen. The dog we just purchased is actually 3/4 WG and 1/4 Czech and again, I am impressed. As someone else already stated, it tends to balance them out. 

I always recommend looking toward breeders who not only "only" use titled, health-checked dogs in their breeding programs, but who work/train/raise/title their own puppies from their own program, and who use their own-bred dogs (once they are titled) in their own programs.  Of course it takes some years to establish such a breeding program, but "at least" a breeder who uses titled dogs and who is actively training, ideally their own-bred dogs, is something to at least strive for.

As for myself, I've always bred only titled dogs and I believe I'm one of the few breeders in the US who do.   I have always raised/trained/titled my own-bred dogs from puppies.   I have several generations of my own-bred dogs in my program past and present, as well as "new blood".   I've stood on the podium and been a member of a World Team with my own-bred dogs.  As for what I'm currently training, I'm "starting over" just having fun and enjoying the sport at club-level at the moment.   I'm working two puppies, just turned 1 year old, a black son and a sable daughter of Bandit out of a daughter of my old dog V-Eagle v Eichenluft Schh3,FH2,KKl-1.   Another Bandit daughter has her BH and is getting ready for her Schh1 title this spring.  A Casch daughter is in my program now - SG-Sabre v Eichenluft Schh1,KKl,a-normal.   I'm also using another stud dog in my program V-Arko v Eichenluft IPO3,KKl,a-normal. 

anyone who is interested in my program is welcome to visit my website, or join my facebook page at Eichenluft Working German Shepherds.  Bandit also has his own page at Bandit vom Wolfsheim, a good place to see some dogs he's sired and "meet" their owners from my program and others who have used Bandit in theirs.

molly
Eichenluft

Everyone please buy WGD and leave the Czechs for me!!  What a load of BS .. the Czechs don't need WG blood or balancing out.  I am more concerned the Czech blood is being diluted out of existence by breeders.  Not a one of my dogs has tipped over from being out of balance, must be the camber.  The truth is that it is hard to find many pure Czech dogs since 1990 they have been so interbred w WG lines.  All GSD alive today came from the same few ancestors so they all shared the same gene pool once less what has been eliminated due to selective breeding in individual geographic areas like the Czech Republic or Germany.  Looks like the Germans threw away too much and the Czechs kept their dogs closer to the founders vision when the populations diverged pre-WWII.  Post WWII the Germans developed the black saddle and tans so that any American with enough cash could own Rin-Tin-Tin.  The joys of marketing the GSD to rich Americans with dollars by post war Germany GSD breeders with a starvation and survival economy were well known and enjoyed.

I am going to sign Michael Jordan's son to an NBA contract .. oh wait .. he is just average at basketball at best.  Plenty of stud dogs that were never champions but produced great progeny and plenty of champions who never produced any great progeny.  The female or dam is much more important than the stud in most cases and a Schutzund title is never going to make a puppy better because mamma or daddy has one.  In the end it is about the puppy that you actually get from the chosen mating and litter as the best puppy in the litter may be miles ahead of the worst in potential.  Also bear in mind that 50% of the time the best puppy is a female. 

It does not matter what lines you choose... go with a dog you like, not the bloodlines. You are better off with a dog you want and bloodlines s/he comes with than bloodlines you like and dog you can't do much with..

I would suggest a youngster with foundation and done prelims!

If you want a puppy, visit the parents at work if you can, see how they are. Big names are not always the only route. Couple of my best dogs came from small breeders and non-legendary, non-heavily advertised dogs that worked superb!



Good luck.

-Brittany

Why would ask for advice on this subject?  Why not just confer with Tim Helser, you have stated in another post  that you are impressed with his work and his videos.


And just so you know, I have seen a number of Slamduncs videos, and his work is among the best I have seen on You Tube, JMO for what it's worth.


Kim

"Everyone please buy WGD and leave the Czechs for me!!  What a load of BS .. the Czechs don't need WG blood or balancing out.  I am more concerned the Czech blood is being diluted out of existence by breeders.  Not a one of my dogs has tipped over from being out of balance, must be the camber.  The truth is that it is hard to find many pure Czech dogs since 1990 they have been so interbred w WG lines.  All GSD alive today came from the same few ancestors so they all shared the same gene pool once less what has been eliminated due to selective breeding in individual geographic areas like the Czech Republic or Germany.  Looks like the Germans threw away too much and the Czechs kept their dogs closer to the founders vision when the populations diverged pre-WWII."

What a load of bullshit.  As is true with virtually any demographic, there are some nice dogs in that mix and a whole lot of shitters.  There is no monopoly on good bloodlines on either side of the wall and pretending differently is either naive or based in marketing your own dogs on a false premise.