I need some guidance for my next pup... West german WL or Czech?? - Page 1

My next puppy will be from a working line stock. What I'm confused the most is what bloodlines I should pick from; West German WL or Czech? I like a duel purpose animal that I can use both in sport, and as a personal protection dog. I don't want just a sport dog who only bites on a sleeve, but an animal that is genetically design to protect in RL situations. I don't want an overly sharp dog that is suspicious of everything. I want a dog that has solid nerve with a good disposition. Absolutely no handler aggressive nor do I want my dog to have a family history of this either to be on the safe side.

Can anyone recommend me lines to start focusing on?

So far I have 3 Breeders in mind 2 of Czech and 1 WGWL (Not in exact order thought)
1. Eurosportk9
2. Alpinek9
3. Eichenluft (I've been hearing a lot of good things about Bandit, and if I do choose WGWL it would probably be a pup from him.)

I know from research that these kennels are very good, and have a good reputation under their belts.

Oh and one last thing... I am staying far away from heavy linebreeding! I believe it causes bad health problems, and that is one of my highest priorities. Heath is extremely important for me.

I'd look at Czech or DDR or a mixture of one of those and WGWL!

But really I'd much rather find a good breeder who knows their dogs and knows their lines, and trust them to match the right pup to you. Make an outline of your perfect dog, and then see if the breeders have anything that might come close to that. Good luck!!

All I can suggest is, you do your research very thoroughly.

If you are seeking a puppy for schutzhund, then select a breeder
who is actively working pups/dogs from their own breeding. 

Not to diminish Eichenluft, (the other two listed are primarily brokers),
but there are many established breeders in the USA that have a generation
or two of their own breeding that they are working in some sport venue.
Eichenluft has proven herself and her dogs time and time again, but not 
sure what dogs from her breeding she is actively working now? Bandit is 
certainly available to outside bitches, so that's another avenue for you to 
explore as well. Just don't cut corners or buy excuses as to why dogs are
not titled and/or health tested. 



 

Blood lines or inbreeding do not tell you who an individual puppy will be.  Both just improve the possibility that you can predict who an individual puppy will be when properly reared and trained.  Find a breeder who produces dogs that you like and work with the breeder to get a puppy or dog that is the type you want.  I doubt it matters which blood line.  The two months before being born (in the womb) and the ten months after being born determine 90% of the health and development of a puppy.  The genetic makeup of the puppy is important but equally important is environment, nurture, and nutrition.  The old term garbage in and garbage out holds true in rearing a puppy.  Within a large litter of 9 or 10 puppies there is a tremendous variation of physical and mental qualities so picking a puppy or having one picked for you even from an individual litter is very unpredictable.  One possibility is to buy a started puppy because by 6-8 months you can know a lot more about who that puppy is and will be than at 8 weeks. 

Brittany:

                       Talk to Rob Dunn and Jessy Gabriel in Texas. Excellent breeders and the both compete with there own progeny they also have a training school. Great people and great breedings.

I'd also recommend Bill Kulla and Jennifer Acevedo in Marengo, IL.  They DO work/train/title their dogs and keep back puppies to title themselves and continue their program.  I found them very honest, easy to deal with, had a good handle on what I wanted and provided me with exactly that.  Contract and price are fair. 

There are many great dogs and litters that are a combination of bloodlines and WL types so I would first narrow down what YOU want (not generalizing type), then find some breeders you think can provide that, and go from there.  When I get a new dog I don't usually rule in/out type without looking at the actual pedigrees and dogs I'm considering, if that makes sense.

West is the best. If you get a WGWL i do suggest eichenluft. Molly will give you a dog you want. czech dogs tend to be suspicious of things, and west german dogs are pretty outgoing and a good WGWL dog will be good in real life situation with the proper training.

There are a lot of good breeders raising the type of dog you are looking for. Q man has quality dogs and so does Parrish Evans that do real work. There are good and bad dogs in WG and Czech breedings.

I have ando ethen and he is more German than Akeem who is Czech. I find Ando easier to train but Akeemi has stronger drives. 
This is only my experience with my dogs, all dogs are different. A few folks did PM me and said Czech dogs are harder to train but make better working dogs and that did come true for me. I think Akeemi could do anything she is trained to do but getting her to slow Down is hard. She has to be trained with a ball, she is prey crazy. Ando is a great tracker and very obedient. He works for attention or food, the ball is not a good reward for him.
Have fun finding your new pup.