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by gsd1997 on 03 February 2013 - 18:02
can some tell me what makes a good breeder AND BYB? thanks
by Hutchins on 03 February 2013 - 18:02
Gsd1997, this topic has been discussed so many time on here, you may not get as many responses as you hope. In that event, do a site search on BYBers on here and you will get the opinions of many. Hope this helps.
by gsd1997 on 03 February 2013 - 18:02
thanks
by Slamdunc on 03 February 2013 - 18:02
I tried on this thread until it was derailed, like most threads of this nature quickly are. But here is a start for you:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=612646-breeders-code-of-ethics
For me the minimum is: Xraying hips and elbows, working their dogs and obtaining titles on their dogs as an independent "judge" critiquing and evaluating a dog goes a long way. I prefer a breeder that actually works and competes with dogs they have bred. A breeder that holds dogs back and continues their breeding program with dogs they have produced and trained and competed with. Breeders that keep their breeding females even after they are old and can no longer pop out puppies and care for those dogs. I would avoid "breeders" that produce litter after litter and never work, title or train their own dogs. I would also avoid "breeders" that constantly import dogs in whelp and then "rehome" the dogs after they crank out a few litters. I prefer a breeder that is knowledgeable about the dogs they produce and are honest in respect to faults and attributes about their dogs. I prefer breeders that are aware of genetic issues with in the breed and take this into account when planning a breeding.
I would absolutely avoid a breeder that talks about the "great" dogs in the pedigree but have done nothing with the sire or dam. I would avoid a breeder that bought a male from a famous kennel and has done nothing else except rely on the hard work of that kennel and their success. I would avoid a breeder that says the pups should be good for "Police, sport, SAR or PP" but have never done any of those things with their own dogs. How would this breeder know what the pups might be good or more likely poor at? I would avoid breeders that advertise their pups based on the grandfather, great grandfather, etc. If the Sire or dam hasn't done anything then it is a good sign the pups won't do much if you want a SL or WL dog. I would avoid a breeder that has the sire and dam on premises in their backyard and that is all they have on premises. Most great breeders go to a stud dog to breed their bitch, few own exceptional stud dogs. That is my short list of things to avoid in a breeder.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=612646-breeders-code-of-ethics
For me the minimum is: Xraying hips and elbows, working their dogs and obtaining titles on their dogs as an independent "judge" critiquing and evaluating a dog goes a long way. I prefer a breeder that actually works and competes with dogs they have bred. A breeder that holds dogs back and continues their breeding program with dogs they have produced and trained and competed with. Breeders that keep their breeding females even after they are old and can no longer pop out puppies and care for those dogs. I would avoid "breeders" that produce litter after litter and never work, title or train their own dogs. I would also avoid "breeders" that constantly import dogs in whelp and then "rehome" the dogs after they crank out a few litters. I prefer a breeder that is knowledgeable about the dogs they produce and are honest in respect to faults and attributes about their dogs. I prefer breeders that are aware of genetic issues with in the breed and take this into account when planning a breeding.
I would absolutely avoid a breeder that talks about the "great" dogs in the pedigree but have done nothing with the sire or dam. I would avoid a breeder that bought a male from a famous kennel and has done nothing else except rely on the hard work of that kennel and their success. I would avoid a breeder that says the pups should be good for "Police, sport, SAR or PP" but have never done any of those things with their own dogs. How would this breeder know what the pups might be good or more likely poor at? I would avoid breeders that advertise their pups based on the grandfather, great grandfather, etc. If the Sire or dam hasn't done anything then it is a good sign the pups won't do much if you want a SL or WL dog. I would avoid a breeder that has the sire and dam on premises in their backyard and that is all they have on premises. Most great breeders go to a stud dog to breed their bitch, few own exceptional stud dogs. That is my short list of things to avoid in a breeder.
by gsd1997 on 03 February 2013 - 19:02
Thanks .. what if some one that had 2 dogs sire amd dam and pedigree did not have one tilte dog in it. and the breeder get them ofa and they past with good and they put tiltes on the sire and dam is that a BYB?
by Slamdunc on 03 February 2013 - 19:02
Did they title the dogs before breeding? And what makes these dogs so exceptional that they should be bred in the first place?
by gsd1997 on 03 February 2013 - 19:02
i don't really know it was just puppies that were for sale and pedigree had no tiltes on any of the dogs but (sire and dam were S.A.R i think)
by Bhaugh on 03 February 2013 - 22:02
gsd1997,
You do all those things BEFORE you breed the dogs (get the OFA titles etc) If you do it the other way around then imo you are a byb. I just had this conversation with someone. They have a 15 mo male they bred, no titles no scores, and the comment was made the dog will be OFA'd at 2. And I say SO WHAT....If this person can look at a pedigree and determine OFA good without xraying hips, he has something on the rest of us. I see no point to breed a dog this young than for nothing other than $$$. I'm sure others may disagree with me, but I say what has he given to the breed at that age? Not much!
Barb
You do all those things BEFORE you breed the dogs (get the OFA titles etc) If you do it the other way around then imo you are a byb. I just had this conversation with someone. They have a 15 mo male they bred, no titles no scores, and the comment was made the dog will be OFA'd at 2. And I say SO WHAT....If this person can look at a pedigree and determine OFA good without xraying hips, he has something on the rest of us. I see no point to breed a dog this young than for nothing other than $$$. I'm sure others may disagree with me, but I say what has he given to the breed at that age? Not much!
Barb
by gsd1997 on 03 February 2013 - 22:02
i argee with you
by Rik on 04 February 2013 - 00:02
maybe a simplified answer, but for me the difference in byb and a good breeder is the good breeder will participate in whatever area they claim the dogs are good for, whether it's work, sport or show and they will have demonstrated over time the ability to produce dogs good for these purposes. The good breeder will be able to point out the accomplishments of his/her dogs rather than relying on past generations and someone else's accomplishments.
Titles,breed survey, h/e ratings are a good place to start, but there are breeders with these dogs who many would still not consider good breeders.
Titles,breed survey, h/e ratings are a good place to start, but there are breeders with these dogs who many would still not consider good breeders.
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