The WDA Scorebook Situation, Follow As We Go Through The Process - Page 3

  Page 12 of the new FCI rulebook state " Important to note, only one scorebook may be issued per dog."

  I did have a UScA Judge sign my GSDCA-WDA - GSDCA scorebook at a non UScA trial. Working tittles earned at a trial officiated by a UScA Judge are recognized by the WDA.

@SitaMom................there is a term about schutzhund................Do Schtuzhund - Will Travel!!!!

What type of cooperation do clubs need to have together in a given area?    It is nice to be on a talking relationship - but most club split because of bad blood.   I personally dont think that is a factor on why a trainer would quite the sport because of this -.......People visit clubs - and pick the one that suites them... whether is is a WDA or a USA, DVG, etc................Quiting the sport for clubs not working together in a given area is the least of why a person would stop doing the sport......... 

I didnt think about past books - only those that have been trying to get around the USA rules since the inception.....But Dog1 was posting about a new book - that is why I was looking on the future - not the past.

Yogie.

Dog1 wrote:
 
“Acceptable scorebooks are USCA scorebooks, DVG scorebooks (through the WUSV affiliation) and SV scorebooks. Here's the twist.
The GSDCA is a WUSV affiliated club. Any scorebook issued by the GSDCA would automatically be acceptable to USCA through the
WUSV agreement as the DVG books are. The GSDCA-WDA is not WUSV afiliated and the reciprocal agreement does not apply”
 

A couple of small corrections here. USCA accepts DVG scorebooks because of their affiliation with AWDF and VDH,
DVG is not a WUSV member, they are a sport club and that is why DVG titles do not count for breed surveys for the SV.
 
But you are absolutely correct on the GSDCA-WDA scorebook as of right now. It is NOT a GSDCA scorebook,
issued by GSDCA  (the WUSV member)  and that is the reason it will not be USCA certified and making it possible to
enter USCA Club level events as of right now.
 

SitasMom wrote
“GSDCA membership along with a GSDCA/GSDCA-WDA scorebook and an extra $15 or $20 is what is required to enter a club or regional (non-championship) level event.”
 
 This is not true at the moment.  First, the scorebook would need to be certified if it was issued by a WUSV member org
(My wife had to have her European org scorebook certified when she moved here before she could enter USCA events)
 
And Regional events are Regional Championships and require USCA membership to enter. (For IPO side, not sure about Conformation side)
 
Dobermannman wrote:
“Double check your information. The new FCI rules that went  into effect last year (that I'm pretty sure are the ones that everyone is following now)
state that you can only present and have the judge sign one score book at a trial. Nothing about the dog having multiple score books from different organizations.”
 
 Dobermannman, VKGSDs is correct. Each dog can only have one scorebook by FCI rules. Some clubs create a variance to this rule.
USCA does not. This information was presented to us at the FCI Judges meeting and revarified last month  through email by myself
to the FCI working commission President.

VKGSDs, we (USCA) are discussing your situation now to come up with a plan on how to allow new USCA members who have non-WUSV
member score books to get those titles into a WUSV member org scorebook legally. (as long as the titles are recognizable by USCA of course)
 
Hope this clears up something…Good luck with your experiment Dog1, but as of right now you will get denied. I do however believe that there is
room for the organizations to work together, but I need a lot more information before that can happen….Hopefully in the next few months.
 
  Frank

The language that you are looking is from the 2010 WUSV General Assembly Meeting.  Here is the official text in German:
 
Textvorschlag für Anerkennung von Prüfungen und Antrittsermöglichung
Sind in einem Mitgliedsland zwei oder mehr Vereine Mitglied der WUSV, so ist jeder Mitgliedsverein verpflichtet, auch den Mitgliedern der anderen Mitgliedsvereine dieses Landes die Teilnahme an seinen Veranstaltungen zu ermöglichen, sofern nicht eine gegen dieses Mitglied bestehende Vereinssperre vorliegt.
Die Mitgliedsvereine der WUSV sollen Prüfungen, Zuchtbewertungen, Zertifikate und/oder Körungen der anderen Mitgliedsvereine möglichst anerkennen. Werden Prüfungen, Zuchtbewertungen, Zertifikate und/oder Körungen auf Basis einer entsprechenden WUSV-Ordnung von einem WUSV-Richter oder WUSV-Körmeister vergeben, so sind alle Mitgliedsvereine der WUSV verpflichtet, diese vollinhaltlich anzuerkennen.
Das Gremium ist einstimmig per Akklamation dafür, gemäß der verteilten Tischvorlage zu verfahren.



The following suggested translation of the foregoing language was provided by David Landau (a Director of the WUSV in 2010 and who handled the translations for the WUSV meeting):
 
Suggested text for recognition of trial titles and entry possibilities
If there are two or more WUSV Member Clubs in one Member Country, each Member Club is obliged to allow the members of the other Member Clubs in the country to participate in its events unless the member is under suspension by the event giving club.
 In as far as possible, WUSV Member Clubs should accept trial results, show ratings, certificates and/or breed surveys of other Member Clubs.  If the trials results, show ratings, certificates, and/or breed surveys are given on the basis of an appropriate ordinance of the WUSV by a WUSV-Judge or WUSV-Breed Survey Master, all Member Clubs of the WUSV are obliged to recognize them completely.
 The Assembly agreed by acclamation to proceed according to this document.

Dobermannman, opened my eyes up in a previous thread.  I think its much easier to just get a scorebook from an AWDF affiliated club and have it stamped by UScA. 

Thanks for clarification, Frank.  Glad to know I understood that correctly.  Aside from the people with WDA-only scorebooks now being in limbo I think the rule makes sense.  Either say ONE dog ONE scorebook period, or allow (or require) every organization to always use it's own book.  Since the latter doesn't happen do to the umbrella of WUSV or whatever, then the former just makes sense.

Luckily I already obtained an AWDF book in 2010 before the new rule (and abandoned my old book at that time per the rules) so I'm good to go but just trying to keep up with all this since I'm considered the "show line person who also does SchH" and see a lot of people trying to migrate from WDA to USCA due to many issues with the WDA and some positive changes with USCA.

Dobermannman wrote:
“Double check your information. The new FCI rules that went  into effect last year (that I'm pretty sure are the ones that everyone is following now)
state that you can only present and have the judge sign one score book at a trial. Nothing about the dog having multiple score books from different organizations.”
 
 Dobermannman, VKGSDs is correct. Each dog can only have one scorebook by FCI rules. Some clubs create a variance to this rule.
USCA does not. This information was presented to us at the FCI Judges meeting and revarified last month  through email by myself
to the FCI working commission President.

>Frank

>DVG members have to present a DVG score book at DVG trials. While UScA will stamp a DVG score book to use at UScA trials. The DVG >score book has no space for ring sports or temperament tests or health tests like the AWDF score books do.

Thomas Barriano

SitaMOM...........David Landau is WDA - not USA.........how does this translate to another club and it's practices.........

Yogie

      Sites mom,  The meeting that you refer to deals with WUSV  member clubs, WDA  is not a WUSV member club. The point of this thread has been that  these GSDCA/WDA-GSDCA  score books may not  be authorized by a WUSV club and therefore UScA does not have to accept them. If the WDA has to go through GSDCA for all dealings related to the SV/WUSV how is it that they are able to produce a WUSV scorebook on their own?

"VKGSDs, we (USCA) are discussing your situation now to come up with a plan on how to allow new USCA members who have non-WUSV
member score books to get those titles into a WUSV member org scorebook legally. (as long as the titles are recognizable by USCA of course)" 

This ^^^^^^ is why I asked about USCA recognition of titles received by an SV judge which are recorded in a WDA scorebook...it's good to hear that USCA is working on how to permit USCA members to carry those titles over. Given that at one brief shining moment in time, the two groups were [sorta] co-operating with one another and there are people who belonged to both, and trialed at whatever club was having a trial that they could get to, it doesn't seem right to penalize those people now if they made sure any titles the got at a WDA trial were done under an SV judge.