The WDA Scorebook Situation, Follow As We Go Through The Process - Page 1

Background:

The last remaining remnant of the JA is the WDA scorebook. USCA requires scorebooks be certified by USCA in order to be recognized by the organization. Acceptable scorebooks are USCA scorebooks, DVG scorebooks (through the WUSV affiliation) and SV scorebooks. Here's the twist. The GSDCA is a WUSV affiliated club. Any scorebook issued by the GSDCA would automatically be acceptable to USCA through the WUSV agreement as the DVG books are. The GSDCA-WDA is not WUSV afiliated and the reciprocal agreement does not apply. Thus the delemma.

History:

About a year ago the WDA claimed they had scorebooks that were GSDCA recognized. I checked into these scorebooks and they appeard to be GSDCA-WDA scorebooks with the GSDCA logo added to them. This Logo addition did not appear to be GSDCA endorsed. So,,,, I contacted the GSDCA as suggested by the WDA secretary to confirm these books were/were not GSDCA endorsed, The response was that the GSDCA was aware there was a problem and working on it with the WDA President. I then contacted USCA for their read on the scorebooks. Their response was they did not appear to be connected. They were not available through the GSDCA, only the WDA. The bottom line was USCA was not required to accept the WDA counterfit GSDCA scorebooks through the WUSV agreement.

The subject came up again recently on Facebook. Those able to join the Official and Unofficial WDA Facebook Groups may be able to folow the comments in those Facebook Groups. WDA board members commented and insisted their scorebook (now being sold version) acceptable to USCA. They advised contributors to the thread to buy one and try it.So, I once again contacted the friendly USCA office and asked if they had seen or endorsed one? They had not.

Problem:

So the entire GSD community is in a delemma where the WDA board members insist you can buy one of their GSDCA-WDA issued scorebooks and USCA will accept it while USCA says they will not.

The Plan:

So, my dog friends, there's only one way to break this gridlock. Dog1 will be the guniea pig.  I'm going to break the gridlock and find out the truth. Te entire episode as we go through the process will be posted here for all to follow.

Tomorrow I will order a non member GSDCA-WDA scorebook thet is supposed to be GSDCA endorsed for one of my dogs co owned with a GSDCA-WDA member just to be legitiment. I'll let you know how that goes. I'll then send it to USCA for certification. I'll let you know how that goes too.

Results:

Does the WDA really have a legitiment scorebook properly supported by the GSDCA. Is it a forgery? Is the GSDCA-WDA tryingpurposely to sell illigitimate scorebooks to their members and the GSD community? Does USCA have to accept them? What happens if they do not? Stay tuned as we progress through the process and see what actually happens..

I was just thinking about doing this too but I'll sit back and see what becomes of your attempt!  I'm really curious to know.  Both sides seem to think it's in the other side's hands.

It's obvious the ball is in the WDA court. They have to be selling a properly endorsed GSDCA scorebook. At least 3 board members insist they have one and recommend buying it to participate in USCA events.. Do they? Do they really know what they have or is this just another in the long list of examples of rules and interpretations that they really don't know?

Out of curiosity, Dog1, what of WDA scorebooks, with or without the GSDCA 'counterfeit' logo, which have already been in use, and are signed off on by SV judges?

I guess I don't understand how USCA can deny certification of a scorebook that's been signed by an SV judge, regardless of which organization issued it...wonder what the SV's view of that would be?

GSDCA membership along with a GSDCA/GSDCA-WDA scorebook and an extra $15 or $20 is what is required to enter a club or regional (non-championship) level event.

If a WDA member is also a member of the GSDCA, has the required scorebook and is denied entry, then he/she may contact the prez of the WDA who will in turn contact the Prez of the UScA, who will then contact the Regional Director and the Trial Secretary. And the problem will be solved in just a day or two.

I've already done this for a UScA conformation show this past fall.

I plan to enter a club level trial in a few months and will do it again if needed.

Something important to realize is that if the judge isn't SV, than the trial/show results won't count for WDA, or the SV....

"Acceptable scorebooks are USCA scorebooks, DVG scorebooks (through the WUSV affiliation) and SV scorebooks."


UScA also accepts/certifies  all score books from any AWDF member club including breed clubs and sport clubs (DVG, USMRA and NARA

Back to your GSD politics discussion :-)

Hexe, USCA will recognize SV judges results no matter where they are shown. That does not mean they have to accept the WDA scorebook. Sitasmom, Conformation events are different than trials. Are you saying you have a  USCA certified scorebook you got from the WDA? The proceedure you outlined is what the WDA is claiming anyone who purchaces a scorebook from them needs to do. The purchaser needs to take the ball and run with it. The WDA is passing the responsibility of ensuring they are providing a GSDCA recognized scorebook, one that will require WUSV acceptance on to whoever gets stuck in the middle to do their dirty work. That's what we are doing here. The WDA says they have done their job. They have a scorebook that links the WDA to USCA through the WUSV affiliation. To date I haven't seen one or talked to anyone who has made it through the process. Have you been able to get a WDA book certified?

OK, I just went to the GSDCA website to see if I could order one of their scorebooks. I found luggage tags, magnets for your refridgerator, hats, stickers, you know all the stuff a German Shepherd person really needs, but no scorebook. I'll call them to make sure I didn't miss something.

I'll be looking forward to seeing how this works out, Randy!