West Yorks Ch. Show Results - Page 5

.I know that Sue Belfield would not compromise her integrity just to win one class, never mind three, and to be fair,  i cant think of anyone who might,  but Pencil raises a valid point when he suggests that it is possible that an unfair advantage could be gained by knowing which classes are strong, and conversely  what are the the weak classes, pause for thought for all committee members.
   Integrity should be taken as the norm, for what have we left once it's gone ?   my late Father once told me that all that we have is our word, and a handshake, the difference between a good person and a bad, let not put everybody in the latter category.

   Regards, Paul Rattigan.

The show secretary for West Yorkshire club is Mrs Kay Moore and it was her address on the schedule for the entries to be sent.  So chances are, like at most clubs, the rest of the committee which for this club would include Sue only got to see who and what was entered at the  same time as the rest of you, when they viewed the catalogue on the day.
AS

There are at present no rules to stop a committee member from showing at their own show perhaps it would be better for all clubs to make it a rule that you cannot show at your own show then that would stop all this bickering about what is right and what is wrong this would apply to committee members only and not club members i know that some committee members enter their dogs at their own shows but do not put them in so if the committee members did this then it would not affect entrys and again i say that this was an excellent show and i thought the placings were correct in the main one or two will be different under different judges and that is dog showing you win some you lose some. ( dont know about the chips tho as their were none left when i went for some maybe you got the last lot philip)
jim h.

To Pencil.   you ask in an earlier post...

penny( mo ) can I ask-if i bought a dog off you for showing, and it didn't quite work out-say a tooth missing-could i carry on having FUN as you put it in the show ring or would you try and stop me showing it cos it might blight your reputation.You seem to have a lot to say maybe you could address my question please.

My answer to that would be that I would have no "hold" on you at all with your dog, your choice to show or not to show would be yours, not mine.  Obviously I would not like a Mascani dog to be down the line constantly if judges penalised a problem constantly - and I would be pointing out to you that when you buy a puppy, there is always a risk, and the problems that you will have with showing the partcular animal, and I would hope that sense would prevail, and you wouldnt throw good money away if you were never going to have a great chance.  If the dog were in partnership however, then I would be saying to you that this half of the partnership didnt want the dog to be shown.  In my opinion you wouldnt have FUN if you were giving over lots of money to get ther and enter knowing you didnt stand as good a chance as the next dog.

To your second post.....

Penny--MO thought you would not answer my question.

Well - wrong again Pencil.... sometimes I get a chance to get on to this board with lots of time to spare, and some days I cant get the time to come to it - this is the first day since my last post.

To Karen c.

Not sure you read my post correctly as above..

I was looking for us all giving a painfully truthful answer to ourselves in that position.   Sorry if I dissapointed -but  I know I would be saying YES..... perhaps thats not right and proper... but I wouldnt curry favours beforehand, snd if it was a friend that I had to do with say every week, nay every day, then I would think of them, and not want to give them the pressure, friends are friends but when you see them daily etc they may as well be part of your kennel may then not?  My close buddies dont enter under me (but perhaps its because they think I`m a crap judge too !!).

  I am sure that I was well pleased when I heard Mel Groth was coming over to judge, as we had a minor puppy dog.   What we didnt do was go the extra length that some go to.... We dont entertain her until This Sunday after St Helens, the last time I emailed her was when the fires were on in Aussie to see if she was safe and sound...... and unless some-one else told her of our m.p.d. the first she would have known was when he was presented to her at the show.... this is not that I question Mels integrity, she would know me well enough to know it wouldnt alter our friendship at all.... but it was that I want to know in my own mind, that I havent tried to gain a wrongful advantage (or disadvantage) by "pushing" the fact so that she knew we were entering uinder her or that we had a m.p.d.   I was able to go over to her at the end of the show and give her a bear hug and tell her that I was looking forward to a long chin-wag, and so I am.  Mo

Penny-Mo.
                   Well at least you replied though history tell a different story-but its ok i won't be naming the dogs on here.
                    At least by attempting to answer you have more about you than videx-on the other hand he can't reply I suppose because its all true.

Back to my main thread( and I see I have a few who agree with me).Its all about ETHICS in my opinion and not many show folk seem to have any-certainly not  s.belfield-your not telling me A. Shepherd that the club secretary didn't know th entries.Still I suppose making the odd pound is important in these troubled times.