what makes a BYB a BYB?? - Page 1

i know the term BYB is meant to be derogatory. but what does it mean apart from the literal interpretation of breeding in the back yard. some great euro imports from the 70's have found there way into pet homes with the owners out of the show/work  loop some of these lines remain true and unpolluted. mostly not sold as papered purebreds you have to backtrack a lot of word of mouth to uncover some real gold. might be some gems that could contribute to the breed. i think it's even more true with rotts. some people have just bred to replenish their own work dogs and never seen a ped.

my dog is from a breeder that has been labelled a byb by some, especially by those that can't produce a single dog to the standard he produces regularly - he has been breeding pure working dogs for 30+ years and has forgotten more about GSD's than most "real" breeders will ever know, all dogs get tested continually and have to perform, no if, but maybe - imo this byb standards are clearly higher than the bite test at the SV.

aint a dog i seen that i would trade my pup for, so whats up with the byb is bad tag?

you can be a good byb or a bad one just like you can be a good "real" breeder or a bad one.

so whats the word for someone who is not byb??

i know of high level sport competitors that are not registered kennels but breed their own occasional litters for their own sport and sell the excess without advertising and they are usually sold before they are born - are they byb??

vk4, I always took it to mean someone breeding with no goal, purpose or really knowledege of anything other than these little suckers are going to bring in a some cash. lots of good dogs are bred by people with only a dog or two that are yes, in the back yard, but that's not what earns the label of BYB.

My label of a byb is someone who is out for only the money and will not or refuses to test for genetic problems. Most wont take back a puppy they have bred, have never worked the dogs they are breeding but claim they know how pups will turn out or will just breed anything to anything. I swear some people Ive talked to would breed a dog to a cat if they thought it would bring a fee.

I think someone who is responsible about the breed, tests their stock, will take a puppy back they have bred and works their dogs is what a breeder should be.

i agree with what you guys say, incidentally some big time commercial breeders would fit your description of byb.

I think there can be more than one type of BYB. I have friends who had a rottie, and their other friend had a rottie, and they wanted a new kitchen remodel, so they decided to breed their dogs and sell them. This happened, they sold the paperless pups and financed their updates. A few years later more than one of these pups developed a cancer. Now these people are dear friends, and this was a while back and they will never do it again. But yes, I would say they were backyard breeders.

And then there is another type of BYB, who is certainly educated but chooses not to follow the route of testings, and trials to determine breedworthiness because they feel they are above it all. This type, too, can be a BYB.

IMHO 

I have seen a few front lawn breeders. One had the female on a leash and looked very disgusted. if I remember correctly it looked to be a lab/poodle breeding. I thi.k it was before the designer dog fad...lol

Here in the UK we usually tend to refer to the 'good', generally small & low numbers
producing ppl as 'hobby breeders', even if they keep dogs in their gardens;  'Back
Yard Breeders' may also use their gardens & kitchens but don't give a  ****  about
what they are breeding with;  and anyone doing the same but on a large scale and
making a living from selling lots of puppies is a 'puppy farmer' ... but that gets a bit
trickier because they are also referred to as 'commercial breeders'   but then so can
some of the big serious show & work kennels get called that.

@beetree....I was certainly your second view of a BYB....first time I have seen it described correctly.....lol  my definition of BYB is much more predicated on end results....I know a lot of people that are breeding titled and health certified dogs that are BYB to my way of thinking because they are just putting two dogs together figuring the titles and certs makes it breedworthy.......their end result having many temperament and health issues....to me....BYB just as much as the ones that throw two dogs together for money or to reclone the dog they already own.

I sure hope to meet some of you fine folks at a show one day.  I used to feel I was alone in some of my feelings.  I agree with Gustav
Part of the purpose of the breed survey is to not only have the positives pointed out but also the negatives.  as well as the other aspects of the dogs working abilities.  then breeding should take into consideration of having the mating so that where your dogs negatives are balanced by a dog who excells in the area that your female is lacking.  Anyone who tries to Justify anything else isn't doing it with the best of the breed in mind.  Just because something sells doesn't mean it is a good product.  People have been selling
elixirs and tonics for centuries that either did nothing at all or that caused damage to the user.

i know breeders that just keeping adding every famous dog from every big event into their peds every other year with no other plan other than this litter has all these super famous, titled, world this and that dogs in its ped therefore this pup must  be awesome.  seems to work as far as sales go.