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by fawndallas on 20 August 2012 - 13:08
For the nutritionist and vets on this forum (I know what I am getting from other places; I am just looking for another professional opinion):
Should I start my puppies on vitamins at 6 months, 1 year, or wait until they finish growing?
At what age should I start my adult dogs on glucosomine for their joints?
Rose and my lab are on “GNC Ultra Mega Superfood Complex – A” and my male GSD is on Niacinamide for an auto-immune deficiency in his nails (by the way, this has done an excellent job in reversing the effects of the nails coming apart; not to mention his skin and coat look great).
Below is the breakdown of the Superfood Complex. It seems that the protein is a bit high, considering the protein in the puppy food is about 28%.
I understand that the general consensus is that once everyone is on the Raw diet, vitamins are not needed, but I haven’t quite gotten there yet and it may be a while.
Should I start my puppies on vitamins at 6 months, 1 year, or wait until they finish growing?
At what age should I start my adult dogs on glucosomine for their joints?
Rose and my lab are on “GNC Ultra Mega Superfood Complex – A” and my male GSD is on Niacinamide for an auto-immune deficiency in his nails (by the way, this has done an excellent job in reversing the effects of the nails coming apart; not to mention his skin and coat look great).
Below is the breakdown of the Superfood Complex. It seems that the protein is a bit high, considering the protein in the puppy food is about 28%.
I understand that the general consensus is that once everyone is on the Raw diet, vitamins are not needed, but I haven’t quite gotten there yet and it may be a while.
- Crude Protein (min) - 25%
- Crude Fat (min) - 30%
- Crude Fiber (max) - 25%
- Moisture (max) - 5%
- Linoleic Acid - 400 mg (2.45%) (Omega-6 Fatty Acids from Soybean Oil & Flaxseed)
- Calcium - 80 mg
- Phosphorus - 50 mg
- Potassium - 10 mg
- Magnesium - 20 mg
- Iron - 4 mg
- Copper - 2 mg
- Manganese - 2 mg
- Zinc - 8 mg
- Iodine - 3 mg
- Selenium - 0.05 mg
- Vitamin A - 1000 IU
- Vitamin D - 100 IU
- Vitamin E - 5 IU
- Thiamine - 2 mg
- Riboflavin - 2 mg
- Pantothenic Acid - 2 mg
- Niacin - 5 mg
- Pyridoxine - 0.6 mg
- Folic Acid - 0.05 mg
- Vitamin B-12 - 0.6 mg
- Choline - 5 mg
- Bacillus coagulans* - 100 million CFU
- Alpha-Linolenic Acid* - 600 mg (Omega-3 Fatty Acids from Flaxseed)
- Inulin* - 100 mg
- Ascorbic Acid* (Source of Vitamin C) - 50 mg
- Blueberries* - 30 mg
- Broccoli* - 30 mg
- Carrots* - 30 mg
- Spinach* - 30 mg
- Strawberries* - 30 mg
- Biotin* - 60 mcg
- Menadione* - 2 mcg
- *Not Recognized As An Essential Nutrient By The AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.
by yellowrose of Texas on 21 August 2012 - 07:08
Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, A not needed chemical that dog owners breeders raise HOLY cane 6 yrs ago in dog foods to get removed. Purina was the worst for years...It was brought to the attention of Schutzhund people by a man in a HOUSTON club who got info and distributed it to everyone..He did a study and I do not know where that info is now..Been a long time ago..
I do not see it much in dog foods now.. This I kept in my dog folder but is not the big study the man paid 40.00 to get from the Research being done when this was a big issue back 5 yrs ago or so.
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=menadione
Need I say any more????
Threads on this db against that chemical...I have never seen so many chemicals in one list in my life...SOME lab made a fortune..
NO thanks..chemical vitamins is not ever gonna do any thing but mask the problems ...if there are problems..
I do not see it much in dog foods now.. This I kept in my dog folder but is not the big study the man paid 40.00 to get from the Research being done when this was a big issue back 5 yrs ago or so.
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=menadione
Need I say any more????
Threads on this db against that chemical...I have never seen so many chemicals in one list in my life...SOME lab made a fortune..
NO thanks..chemical vitamins is not ever gonna do any thing but mask the problems ...if there are problems..
by ronin on 21 August 2012 - 11:08
http://www.nutraingredients.com/Regulation/EFSA-rejects-Merck-glucosamine-joint-health-appeal/?utm_source=newsletter_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GIN_NIUSAd&c=xgf8hHeEv2hLxzhzHDUUa07RYwkOzdvF
Be careful, the road to hell is paved with good intent. The above link is a bit heavy but refers to last weeks ruling for human nutrition relating to glucosamine in the courts.
Some of the most disgustingly healthy dogs I see weekly come from our bad estates, what you call the projects in the US. Less is more.
If you don't know what your doing stick with a good quality Complete Food like Orijen, and switch to the adult food around 4 months (yes) to support slower and steady growth.
If you're passionate about this subject then switch to a raw diet once you've done the research.
My experience with Rotty pups, who are fast growing is the ones raised on Tripe or "DUCK" the product not the meat, were the leanest healthest and solid I had ever seen.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. My dogs have a complete food every morning because my wife has to feed them as I'm away a lot. Twice a week they get sardines or pilchards with their evening meal, twice a week they get raw chicken wings, and twice a week they get green tripe. They also get table scraps with their food. Variety, little and often, less is more.
Ronin
Be careful, the road to hell is paved with good intent. The above link is a bit heavy but refers to last weeks ruling for human nutrition relating to glucosamine in the courts.
Some of the most disgustingly healthy dogs I see weekly come from our bad estates, what you call the projects in the US. Less is more.
If you don't know what your doing stick with a good quality Complete Food like Orijen, and switch to the adult food around 4 months (yes) to support slower and steady growth.
If you're passionate about this subject then switch to a raw diet once you've done the research.
My experience with Rotty pups, who are fast growing is the ones raised on Tripe or "DUCK" the product not the meat, were the leanest healthest and solid I had ever seen.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. My dogs have a complete food every morning because my wife has to feed them as I'm away a lot. Twice a week they get sardines or pilchards with their evening meal, twice a week they get raw chicken wings, and twice a week they get green tripe. They also get table scraps with their food. Variety, little and often, less is more.
Ronin
by Tarakiwa on 21 August 2012 - 12:08
It is all very simple and common sense:
Raw food
Add fruit and veg now and then for the Vits and minerals
2 walks a day minimum
Mental stimulation (sport, games etc)
Stretching exercises if doing sport (like any other athlete)
Just like raising children....
Healthy food
Education (whats right and wrong by clicker training .....but use sweets rather than meaty titbits)
Mental and physical stimulation
Stretching exercises if doing sport
If you are a professional then you would be looking at each one of these subjects in detail.....but really speaking reference your dogs diet just choose a raw food provider which does it all for you, there are so many on the market.
I use Natural Instincts Raw dog food from the day they weaned from their mum ! Perfect coat, perfect condition for all occasions....its not rocket science!
Raw food
Add fruit and veg now and then for the Vits and minerals
2 walks a day minimum
Mental stimulation (sport, games etc)
Stretching exercises if doing sport (like any other athlete)
Just like raising children....
Healthy food
Education (whats right and wrong by clicker training .....but use sweets rather than meaty titbits)
Mental and physical stimulation
Stretching exercises if doing sport
If you are a professional then you would be looking at each one of these subjects in detail.....but really speaking reference your dogs diet just choose a raw food provider which does it all for you, there are so many on the market.
I use Natural Instincts Raw dog food from the day they weaned from their mum ! Perfect coat, perfect condition for all occasions....its not rocket science!
by Eldee on 21 August 2012 - 12:08
You raw food feeders are killing me. Whenever anyone asks for food or nutrition advice you always answer.... feed raw. It is almost like you are Christian zealots. I don`t mean to offend anyone, but really, there are just some of us that do not want to feed raw. It is either a time factor, money factor or something we have tried but for whatever reason find it better to feed good kibble or canned. We all know that feeding raw is best, however, second best isn`t so bad by feeding a good quality kibble many dogs have lived long and very healthy lives.
We really would like your input when it comes to feeding. Please help us with your knowledge about nutrition because we know you know the most. But, please give us answers to our questions if you can, without going on and on about feeding raw and how we don`t care about our dogs if we don`t.
We really would like your input when it comes to feeding. Please help us with your knowledge about nutrition because we know you know the most. But, please give us answers to our questions if you can, without going on and on about feeding raw and how we don`t care about our dogs if we don`t.
by fawndallas on 21 August 2012 - 14:08
Not saying yeah / nay and I appreciate everyones input (please keep it coming; research articles are great)........
Rose has always been a leave it kind of eating dog, even when pregnant. For her, eating has always been "do I have to?" Yes, even raw foods. Nothing medically wrong has ever been found (I have spent a small fortune on all the test imagined). She just has no interest in eating. Actually, being pregnant helped, as at least I can now get her to eat most of the time without bribery or issuing the "eat" command. It still takes her all day to nibble through the meal, but it is usually gone by the end of the day. (this issue has actually been the medical argument to get her fixed, as she should start eating more willingly). Lol, not a single puppy has this problem. They will all eat their owners out of house and home if allowed.
That said, once I got her on these vitamins (above) at about 1 1/2 old, her physical appearance greatly improved, better skin, coat, muscle mass.
I continued with the vitamins on my lab and he looks great too.
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Good notes on Menadione. I will stop this complex and look for a vitamin without this ingredient. Any other ingredients that should have a warning label attached?
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Any input on downsides to Niacinamide?
This is a super B-complex that was suggested from a research trial on Baron's auto-immune issue. As I was told: "Worse case is that it does not fix the issue, but it will do wonders for coat and skin." It is not a cure for the auto-immune issue and he will have to be on it for the rest of his life, but it has stopped the progression and the nails stopped coming a part.
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I am still researching the raw diet. I have run into a few bumps in the road that I am working through before we fully go there.
Rose has always been a leave it kind of eating dog, even when pregnant. For her, eating has always been "do I have to?" Yes, even raw foods. Nothing medically wrong has ever been found (I have spent a small fortune on all the test imagined). She just has no interest in eating. Actually, being pregnant helped, as at least I can now get her to eat most of the time without bribery or issuing the "eat" command. It still takes her all day to nibble through the meal, but it is usually gone by the end of the day. (this issue has actually been the medical argument to get her fixed, as she should start eating more willingly). Lol, not a single puppy has this problem. They will all eat their owners out of house and home if allowed.
That said, once I got her on these vitamins (above) at about 1 1/2 old, her physical appearance greatly improved, better skin, coat, muscle mass.
I continued with the vitamins on my lab and he looks great too.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
Good notes on Menadione. I will stop this complex and look for a vitamin without this ingredient. Any other ingredients that should have a warning label attached?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Any input on downsides to Niacinamide?
This is a super B-complex that was suggested from a research trial on Baron's auto-immune issue. As I was told: "Worse case is that it does not fix the issue, but it will do wonders for coat and skin." It is not a cure for the auto-immune issue and he will have to be on it for the rest of his life, but it has stopped the progression and the nails stopped coming a part.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am still researching the raw diet. I have run into a few bumps in the road that I am working through before we fully go there.
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