Dominant Dog Collars vs. Dogtra Remote Collar - Page 1

I am using the two collars for obedicance and behavioral correction issues.  Does anyone have any thoughts on how to use them?  I have two videos from Leerburg on the topic and a couple books from Susan Barwig.

Thanks

For the remote collar, consider Lou Castle.
You can't say anything about Lou on Leerburg but a lot of folks like his techniques.
You should at least read about his training philosophy to know the differences

Is that in a video series or a book.  I like the Leerburg concept and the use of a "nick" or "warning".  I don't like using the continuous mode unless I have no option (i.e. aggression).

I would think anyone who is about to use these collars should be trained by a real live in your face person . NOT BY A VIDEO A  BOOK OR A SALES PERSON. JUST PAY A TRAINER TO TEACH YOU . THEN USE YOUR BOOKS AND VIDEOS AS A REFRESHER IF NEEDED. HAVE A GOOD ONE .

Thanks WUZZUP.  I have trained dogs for over 35 years.  I am interested in theory not lecture.  I just titled a Sch 3 and a puppy for BH so don't go there. 

I have Army experience, police handling knowledge, and Sch training.  I bought my first remote collar nearly 15 years ago.  I also owned collars that sprayed, vibrated, etc.  I am not a neebie and don't talk to me that way.

If you have an opinion I would appreciate it.  I been on this site for two days and all I have gotten is smart ass lip from what I believe are at best broken down dog owners.  I have received a couple really nice private emails providing some useful information. 

I have heard that people who have answers faster than questions often have their head up their ass because the ass just reacts vs. thinks.

GSD Justice ,I was not directing my comment at you . It was a general statement . Not every one is as accomplished as you claim to be . I did not want a newbie thinking they could learn it all from a book or video . Presto chango  they read something and know what they are doing . Well I don't think it works  that way .Perhaps WE should have worded our posts differently.

The Lou Castle method does use continuous mode but it is very low stim.  I have only used it sparingly for proofing the recall and crittering but know others [in person, regular friends] who have attended his seminar and used it for regular training [and yes, I got one on one help for free directly from Lou] and have nicely obeyed dogs still capable of working independantly.  None of our dogs wear the collar at all times, though.

I think the big change in collars is that in recent years, precise adjustment of the stim has become possible. I put the collar at the low stim setting on my own neck behind my ear [a very sensitive area indeed!] and that level as not at all painful - just tingly. 

My suggestion was it offers a school of thought and discussion on Lou's method is not allowed on Leerburg. He does have a yahoo group which offers other insights. Knowing what is out there is helpful information. I think Dobbs Dogs uses a very similar approach.

Unlike many trainers, his articles are free and he is very helpful.

http://www.loucastle.com/about.htm
http://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/index.html

Re: a vibration or click: In my experience, it depends on how much the dog wants to please you, whether he understands the command completely or not, and how quickly he reacts to and recovers from a correction. How willing, trained and hard he is, IOW.  Before you use an e-collar for proofing commands, the dog must understand what you expect of him in doing the command. After he realizes that non-compliance has an unpleasant consequence, a vibration can be enough to get his attention. But it depends on the dog.  A verbal command or click could do the same if you trained for it.

I too learned the old school way and I haven't adapted to clicker training. I never have the darn thing around when I need it. I can make a clicking noise with my tongue - learned many years ago- and that's what I use. Different numbers of clicks mean different commands. Old habits die hard. What I do is different than the Pryor method of clicker training which shapes the dog's behavior by rewarding with clicks and treats. I understand it, I just don't use it.

Ok, my Dogtra on low stim is set is usually between 6 and 20, just when the dog shows minor reaction [ear flick, scratch, etc]- BIG difference from 80 - if people even imagine than Lou's methods use the collar set at high stim .............. no way.

I have used clicker training for some things - it seems much easier to use on a dog whose primary motivation is food than one who wants the ball, though.-- to me.