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by Gustav on 24 July 2012 - 11:07

I have a major problem with the judging of the breed today in both the breed ring and trial field. I think that is a judges responsibility to make decision that provides guidance and direction to breeders for maintaining a sound moderate dog. In both areas. I really think most judges have capitulated this responsibility to the special interests ( extremes ), of the breed. Should breeders set the tone for what the judges promote, or should judges set the tone for what will be rewarded?

by Rik on 24 July 2012 - 13:07

It is my experience and opinion that breeders (the ones at the top of the totem pole) do set the tone for what wins. Often the judge is a breeder.

Gustav, I'm pretty sure you could list quickly the handful of breeder/judges who have given us the American Show Shepherd. I doubt it is very different in other venues or countries. A small group with great influence sets the direction and most often that direction is driven by what is most profitable. Those at the lower end follow along, after all, few are opposed to profit.

jmo,

Rik

by alkster2002 on 24 July 2012 - 16:07

If you are talking Sch/IPO Judges .......................... we would be in a world of hurt if we followed thier recommendations on breeding ........ cause many of them do not know what is right or wrong for making genetic improvements for the beed ........ and to say "let the breeders set the tone" that is damn scarey because 75% dont know what they are breeding with/or for anyway .................

by workingdogz on 24 July 2012 - 16:07

Find and use the judges with the sharp pencils.
The same pencil they use at Regional or National
events, no 'freebies'.

Wash out the ones that wear the red & white suits
and come with a big bag to take home all their
'gratutities and tokens of appreciation'.
That also means you can't get them hookers
while they are here too!

by alkster2002 on 24 July 2012 - 16:07

oh my "workingdogz" and I thought I was firm ! lol ........................................

by workingdogz on 24 July 2012 - 17:07

Hey, I suppose that a hooker might average out to
be cheaper than a shopping spree or cruise etc

by Gustav on 24 July 2012 - 17:07

I guess what I question is has the sum of the parts more important than the whole? In show world is a well balanced structured dog as important as an extreme mover....in sport world is a calm correct dog as important as a super fast performer? Is training and presentation more important than the actual dog....and shouldnt a judge be able to recognize fluff and not reward it for the good of the breed?

by judron55 on 24 July 2012 - 18:07

For some unknown reason, I believe the belief is if you're a judge...you have the knowledge for being a breeder...and I say nothing could be further from the truth:-) Should a judge not judge the performance and leave the breeding to the more knowledgable....

by Gustav on 24 July 2012 - 18:07

I dont think Judges should have knowledge of a breeder, but i do think that judge should have knowledge of the standard, and knowledge of a good working dog. I think a Judge should be cognizant of what they are rewarding and if it strengthens the breed. Trials are to showcase working aptitude and performance, and shows are to demonstrate structural/ temperament elements that reflect a basic standard.
It seems to me that we have picked elements of the dog in both venues and made more is better....I think the judge should look for quality as opposed to quantity....if that makes any sense. I could be way off base and thats okay

, but i think the tail is waggin the dog.

by alkster2002 on 24 July 2012 - 18:07

A judge SHOULD only judge the performance ................... and leave the genetics to others ......

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