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by newbie GSD on 16 July 2012 - 16:07
Hi, i'm really confused about the difference or similarities of a V rating given at a Sch show, which i think is for a score of over 286 in the 3 disciplines and a V or VA at a sieger show.
Do the last 2 have anything to do with a working ability or just conformation?
Am i correct that a sieger show is a conformation show?
How would i know the difference when looking at a dogs pedigree?
If a working line dog is a WUSV sieger is that a working or conformation title?
Do the last 2 have anything to do with a working ability or just conformation?
Am i correct that a sieger show is a conformation show?
How would i know the difference when looking at a dogs pedigree?
If a working line dog is a WUSV sieger is that a working or conformation title?
by Siantha on 16 July 2012 - 16:07
V in a Schh is they did good and they got their title inless they are retitileing
V in a show they did good and now have the comformation of V that is the one u put at the front of your dogs name. usualy u dont state V from Schh ipo now in the dogs name just ipo 1 2 3
the WUSV is a Schutzhund trial and a sieger show together and the dogs who get the highest scores in both are the sieger so it is both a working and a conformation title in a way
please more experenced people correct me if i am wrong
V in a show they did good and now have the comformation of V that is the one u put at the front of your dogs name. usualy u dont state V from Schh ipo now in the dogs name just ipo 1 2 3
the WUSV is a Schutzhund trial and a sieger show together and the dogs who get the highest scores in both are the sieger so it is both a working and a conformation title in a way
please more experenced people correct me if i am wrong
by RLHAR on 16 July 2012 - 17:07
Actually a V rating in SchH is an "Excellent" rating for a discipline. 96-100 pts.
Next is SG which is "Very Good" and is 90-95.
Then G which is "Good" 80-89
Then B which is "Sufficent" 70-79
Anything below 70 is rated "M" or non-sufficent.
A dog is pointed in each phase, Phase A (Tracking) Phase B (Obedience) and Phase C (Protection). Three ratings per with the final over all score averaged and receiving a rating as well.
Next is SG which is "Very Good" and is 90-95.
Then G which is "Good" 80-89
Then B which is "Sufficent" 70-79
Anything below 70 is rated "M" or non-sufficent.
A dog is pointed in each phase, Phase A (Tracking) Phase B (Obedience) and Phase C (Protection). Three ratings per with the final over all score averaged and receiving a rating as well.
by lonewulf on 16 July 2012 - 19:07
Answering your questions line by line:
Hi, i'm really confused about the difference or similarities of a V rating given at a Sch show, which i think is for a score of over 286 in the 3 disciplines and a V or VA at a sieger show.
Do the last 2 have anything to do with a working ability or just conformation?
THE LAST 2 (ie., V or VA earned at a Sieger Show) ONLY INDICATE EXCELLENT or EXCELLENT-SELECT in CONFORMATION..... They DO NOT indicate the quality of working ability.....
Am i correct that a sieger show is a conformation show? ................... YES! YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT ASSESSMENT!
How would i know the difference when looking at a dogs pedigree?..... IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR WORKING ABILITY THEN LOOK FOR TERMS LIKE V-BSP or V-WUSV or simply WUSV or BSP or in the case of USA bred dogs, look for terms like USA-NATIONALS
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR CONFORMATION THEN LOOK FOR TERMS like VA or V that are placed in front of the dogs name
If a working line dog is a WUSV sieger is that a working or conformation title? ...... THE TERM WUSV WHEN USED ALONE NORMALLY REFERS TO THE WORKING TRIAL or WUSV-Prufung...... If it refers to a combined Conformation & Working Trial then the term is WUSV-Universal Sieger
Hi, i'm really confused about the difference or similarities of a V rating given at a Sch show, which i think is for a score of over 286 in the 3 disciplines and a V or VA at a sieger show.
Do the last 2 have anything to do with a working ability or just conformation?
THE LAST 2 (ie., V or VA earned at a Sieger Show) ONLY INDICATE EXCELLENT or EXCELLENT-SELECT in CONFORMATION..... They DO NOT indicate the quality of working ability.....
Am i correct that a sieger show is a conformation show? ................... YES! YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT ASSESSMENT!
How would i know the difference when looking at a dogs pedigree?..... IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR WORKING ABILITY THEN LOOK FOR TERMS LIKE V-BSP or V-WUSV or simply WUSV or BSP or in the case of USA bred dogs, look for terms like USA-NATIONALS
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR CONFORMATION THEN LOOK FOR TERMS like VA or V that are placed in front of the dogs name
If a working line dog is a WUSV sieger is that a working or conformation title? ...... THE TERM WUSV WHEN USED ALONE NORMALLY REFERS TO THE WORKING TRIAL or WUSV-Prufung...... If it refers to a combined Conformation & Working Trial then the term is WUSV-Universal Sieger
by YogieBear on 16 July 2012 - 20:07
Siantha - why answer if you don't know? obviously you don't..............rlhar is right on...
The ratings on the schutzhund score is not to do with confirmation is the points they achieve in their schutzhund title......
Yogie
The ratings on the schutzhund score is not to do with confirmation is the points they achieve in their schutzhund title......
Yogie
by newbie GSD on 16 July 2012 - 20:07
ok, so example dog:
SG 1999 WUSV SIEGER Tom van't Leefdaalhof
this is a working dog but it has the SG in front of the name. did it get an SG rating for conformation?
since it does not say universal it is the best (seiger) of the working trial, so earned highest combined point total in 3 working phases?
SG 1999 WUSV SIEGER Tom van't Leefdaalhof
this is a working dog but it has the SG in front of the name. did it get an SG rating for conformation?
since it does not say universal it is the best (seiger) of the working trial, so earned highest combined point total in 3 working phases?
by newbie GSD on 16 July 2012 - 21:07
and what about
V Bomber vom Wolfsheim
V Bomber vom Wolfsheim
by lonewulf on 17 July 2012 - 00:07
ok, so example dog:
SG 1999 WUSV SIEGER Tom van't Leefdaalhof
this is a working dog but it has the SG in front of the name. did it get an SG rating for conformation?
since it does not say universal it is the best (seiger) of the working trial, so earned highest combined point total in 3 working phases?
I would read that as follows: SG (Conformation rating) 1999 WUSV Sieger (is the winner of the 1999 WUSV Working trial championship)..... so we have a dog that won the 1999 WUSV working championship & received an SG rating in Conformation.
V Bomber vom Wolfsheim :
I would read this as a dog that received the V rating in Conformation.
SG 1999 WUSV SIEGER Tom van't Leefdaalhof
this is a working dog but it has the SG in front of the name. did it get an SG rating for conformation?
since it does not say universal it is the best (seiger) of the working trial, so earned highest combined point total in 3 working phases?
I would read that as follows: SG (Conformation rating) 1999 WUSV Sieger (is the winner of the 1999 WUSV Working trial championship)..... so we have a dog that won the 1999 WUSV working championship & received an SG rating in Conformation.
V Bomber vom Wolfsheim :
I would read this as a dog that received the V rating in Conformation.
by newbie GSD on 17 July 2012 - 11:07
so with bomber, the only way to tell that he is a working line is to look at his pedigree and see the other dogs with wusv etc.?
SCHH.3 , FH1, HD-NORMAL, ED-NORMAL
V Bomber vom Wolfsheim
SCHH.3 , FH1, HD-NORMAL, ED-NORMAL
V Bomber vom Wolfsheimby lonewulf on 17 July 2012 - 16:07
so with bomber, the only way to tell that he is a working line is to look at his pedigree and see the other dogs with wusv etc.?
SCHH.3 , FH1, HD-NORMAL, ED-NORMAL
V Bomber vom WolfsheimWell if a dog that has Vito vom Waldwinkel as father; Tom van't Leefdaalhof as Grandfather
AND Qerry von Haus Antverpa & Fado von Karthago as Great-Grandfathers....is not to be considered working line then I would be unable to say anything more after that.....
Since you did declare yourself to be new to this, I would like to suggest that you cannot define working ability on the basis of a formula....
Titles of ancestors are definitely a big predictor, but that is not all of it.....
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