Should a male dog with a food allergy be used to stud? - Page 8

I said it's probably best to not repeat a breeding that has produced allergic offspring. My goal would be to eliminate any and all breedings that have proven to produce a dog or dogs with allergies. Ergo, I wouldn't repeat a breeding that produced an allergic dog. I'm not saying the breeding should not be repeated, I'm saying I wouldn't do it.

I didn't say food is never the culprit, I said it's rare to have food allergies in dogs. Evidentally your dog reacted to something it ingested that was present in the commercial food. That doesn't mean your dog doesn't have an overactive immune system; it only means that he or she is not challenged by that particular allergen when eating raw food. A raw diet, or any homemade diet cures nothing. It only eliminates the irritant or reduces it to the level that the dog no longer misidentifies it as the enemy.

There is still much to be learned about the canine immune system, so the only remedy available currently is to simply withhold dogs from breeding that manifest allergies or that are known to produce them. Some dogs may never be exposed to an allergen they would react to, so it's always hit or miss with asymptomatic carriers. Those are the dogs that never scratch but go on to produce allergies. 

Blitzen, the reference to acne I used was acne in people because of eating junk food. Wasn't talking about acne in dogs. Was just trying to point out that what ANY animal eats has a profound bearing on OVERALL health. Skin problems usually are a pretty good indicator that there are other things going on inside as well. The effects of junky food works from inside the body to the outside (skin).

Actually I was responding to NYPiper's comments about puppy impetigo, Joanro.

Gotcha :)

  Basically, the  Decisions lay inside the breeders mind and evaluation of what they see and find and know

   This is how I would do:   I would not want to breed a litter of pups from any sire or dam that I had to constantly make excuses of what kinds of food it ate, that showed a WEAK immune system


  THIS is what you see when pups cannot just eat food of any kind...MY pups were always fed the best but   now that the economy had hit me very hard, I do not feed raw much and I have to buy a cheaper dog kibble..MY dogs show no sign of difference....they still are healthy

  THIS IS WHAT you look for...IF your pups have a problem leaving the nest and contract RED MANGE< allergies in the realhm of  skin problems , itching , ears infected and digestion problems...you have a WEAK immune system//

This weakness is seen in many blood lines..IT IS NOT in other blood lines because of how the breed was kept in a certain not close breeding patterns or the past breedings were in very good scrutiny by the past breeders.

IT is obvious that some humans are never sick never have problems never have to fight the whole life they live to STAY healthy

IT is obvious in our BREED Of GSD some have mega problems and have to be constantly fed certain foods, given certain anti's and certain meds and many kinds of BOOSTERS to keep their bodies IMMUNE system working ..THIS IS A FAULT and A bad trait to keep on breeding with..so...this is where  Educated breeders come into play..

LET's be honest here, most of us on here are educated NOW///  but were we ALWAYS?  HOW many top CHAMPION bred dogs were bred because they were beautiful , handsome and workers?? DID HEALTH play FIRST priority..NO IT DID NOT...

We know tons of GSD were bred just because and we have them in our lines and we all have had to deal with it ..YOU CAN NOW go forward and look at lines only that have no immune problems and if they do....DO NOT BREED THEM>>>

STUDY it, research it with proper intensity not what your VET says...HE IS NOT A BREEDER, HE /she IS NOT in the business of purifying our breed..WE ARE>>..so now we say  ...oh we are gonna loose some top studs and some top DAMS if we do that...OH WELL...what do you want...pups with scratching, hives, ears that are full of infection no matter what you do,,dogs who constantly have to eat only one food, take meds and probiotics all the time, dogs that are nervous, dogs that are skiddish, dogs that are not able to breed, dogs that have digestion problems all the time??

We  can make a difference.  And another part of that difference is educating the people who buy  your pups as to environmental safeguards to keep a healthy pup..Over chemicalizing a pup with unnecessary and too many PREVENTIONS can be very hard on any dogs body and on humans as well..  IT is very hard to be a breeder and it is very hard to be a parent and very hard to make decisions about birthing a pup or a  human baby and how to raise them..// gosh  did I say that/???glad I am retired..

YR

YR

Christine,
That was my point exactly.

Mira...great stuff. Great hearing real life experiences!

 Now when you said "If out of a litter of 12 someone had HD, I would say that was normal as the odds are 1 out of 10 pups is going to have something, and HD is a combination of both genetic and environmental."  Would you repeat that breeding?  If so...why would it be different if 1 out of 12 puppies had an allergy?  Would that be considered "normal"?
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  THe reason HD Is so previlant today is because people just keep making excuses and breeding a known stud or dam who has had pups with HD . THEY Say only one or two a litter..others were good..

DOES it ever end...I do not have an answer.

HOW many gsd are there in the world today...anyone have a number...?

HAVE we or have humans bred  bred  bred  bred and bred without making hard rules and hard decisions to only breed  males and females who have   good hips????

It  is not us , NOW>..it is what THEY did THEN...NOW we are handled the RED HOT SKILLET and what do we do NOW to correct some of this..

SINCE some registries let any kind of dog be registered  the main JOHN DOE believes they can breed it..
SO where do we begin to stop it....MAY Never ....LIKE DORIS DAY SANG/////

   QUE  SERA   QUE SERA

Most of us love our dogs so much, we overlook what we SHOULD do and not breed to have another CHICO or another ZU or another KONIGE in our life..SO we just chance it and say well maybe the NEXT litter will not have any HD in it.   WE all do it, I did it several times but I sold those pups on limited papers, but that does not stop the dog from being out there and some people breed them anyway and manage to get PAPERS...so there we go...

After I got educated more, I refused to breed any litter that had dogs with any hips bad so I didnt have very many breeders any longer.

BUT now I am retired so now all I can do is advise not to breed anything that produces pups with compromised lives....gonna be a big step ..CAN the world of MONEY and breeding and show and work stand it.. I do not know that answer..

All I can say , is   IT BEGINS WITH YOU>
YR

Breeding dogs is full of disappointments if you do it right.


 

I think environment and diet can eventually become genetic in bringing out recessives from dormancy.

Sometimes I wonder if such environmental triggers force genes to mutate.  It may never have been present in the first place, since it is a mutation !

Breeding dogs is full of disappointments if you do it wrong.