Should a male dog with a food allergy be used to stud? - Page 3

"these additives given to commercial food animals are also an ingredient in the rise of cancer"

Por ejemplo? What additives?


"So does breeding chemical/poison tolerant dogs only, equate to human imposed "survival of the fittest" "

Sounds like a good thing to me.  Why wouldn't you select for dogs that can tolerate vaccines, kibble, and poisons (all often necessary evils)?

"for example","what additives"? Antibiotics, growth hormones... Choosing dogs that can tolerate poisons, etc. For every action, there's an opposite and equal reaction. We pay for the "tolerance" in shorter lived dogs that develop diseases that may not be obviously related to the chemical bombardment they are subjected to. JMO

"For every action, there's an opposite and equal reaction." - that is a physics law... catchy sounding but I don't see how that applies to genetics and selective breeding.  Are you trying to say, you cant have it all?

Which growth hormones and antibiotics?

For example, estrogen and progesterone cause mammary cancer.  In one study, as high as 70% of cancers in female dogs were mammary cancer; and almost all of the female dogs with mammary cancer were not spayed.  A fool proof way to decrease cancer rates in female dogs and is to early spay.

We're not speaking strictly genetics. Somebody on here mentioned vac against Lymes disease because it was the lesser of two evils. There are consequences other than the desired ones when anything unnatural is introduced into an animal's system. Even cancer therapy has undesired consequences. As for spaying eliminates all worries of cancer.... Diamond dog food (among others) used ethoxequin (sp) as a preservative until replaced with something that is non-carcinogenic. During that time, I raised several dogs on diamond and fed it for years until the ethoxequin became an issue. ALL of those dogs developed cancer ranging from sinus cancer, bone cancer in the lower jaw of one, liver cancer, cancer tumor in the spine, bladder cancer. All of them were males except the one with bladder cancer and she was spayed when a year old, never bred. So cancer in dogs is certainly not limited to breast cancer. The ethoxequin was undoubtedly the cause, but this is just an example of chemicals causing disease.. By the way, those dogs looked the picture of health and until the cancer struck, were never sick, no allergies, nothing to indicate they were being poisoned. Ethoxequin is no longer used as a preservative in dog food, but a few months ago, I saw livestock feed with " animal protein" preserved with ethoxequin. I was looking for feed for our goats which we raise for meat, and that feed was for ALL LIVESTOCK, included goats. Needless to say, I passed.

A fool proof way to decrease cancer rates in female dogs and is to early spay.

but opens the door for hemangiosarcoma.  5x greater chance, so.... pick your poison (cancer)

 

   I agree Red Sable.

   Diamond dog food is poison and always has been.
  I got into a knock down fight with the supposidly on board Veteriniarin they have in the lab and she thought she could talk  nonsense to me and she found out she was knock knock knocking on Deaths rapid door when it came to raising and feeding german shepherds.  I told her she might tell a HOG breeder that crap but cut the crap and get down to your facts...SHE had none..THEY were putting preservatives like joanro said and more...AND they were also producing dog foods for other companies under hidden names..

  I quit them 19 years ago.

   Dogs that are healthy was my goal and I achieved it..BUT I spent 25 years arguing over what to feed, where to buy it and how to get it and what and how was it all made..SO glad I did..
   I went to raw when I had plenty of money to buy it . IT worked and I was much better satisfied with my endeavors. My meat came from the head butcher of a big grocery company but he raised his own and shot his own deer and spent months making food for my freezer and his for our germans..HE had a female of mine and a small dog and he found out how good it was to feed natural.

But a 5 x greater risk doesn't necessarily mean that the trade off is equal, or that the risk of hemangiosarcoma is higher in altered females than mammary cancer is in unaltered females.  Let me explain using hypothetical numbers.  Lets say hypothetically, an unaltered bitch has a 25% chance of getting mammary cancer and a altered bitch has a 1% chance of getting mammary cancer.  Now what if an unaltered bitch has a 1% chance of getting hemangiosarcoma and a altered bitch has a 5% (or 5 x greater) chance of getting hemangiosarcoma.  I would much rather go with a 5% chance vs a 25% chance if my goal was to reduce the risk of cancer in my dog.

The best way to reduce cancer IMHO, is to keep the body alkaline.  Human or dog.  That comes from a healthy digestive system, and of course appropriate food.  That would be my first area  to look at if wanting to avoid cancer, not altering the bodies hormones.  :)

OK...Bring the conversation back to the allergies and breeding....putting aside all conspiracy theories...does anyone have first hand knowledge / experiences with the passing or non-passing of allergies from sire / dam to a litter?

We are not suggesting that you don't spay your females. We were talking about allergies and other diseases caused by chemicals and additives in food animals, and fed or injected into the dogs directly. Spaying did NOT prevent my female from developing bladder cancer.