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by Tracker1 on 23 May 2012 - 15:05
I was at the sieger show this year. Unfortunately i was only able to see the working classes in its entirety.
While the placements are out of anyone's control, i was dissappointed at some blatant placements.
The sieger was well deserving of his title. No competition.
The biggest dissappointments to me were VA HArry della Real Favorite and VA Yupp Heidknapp.
Especially Yupp. This male has no business in the group. How he came from position 20 to VA is crazy.
In the female group, a female also had the same "fortune". Hexe Dey Kimberlin. How does she come from middle of the pack to VA.
These dogs have a common handler, Mr Walter Kotters. Nothing against him, but the owners of these 2 dogs in particular must be ashamed of themselves.
They should give the VA placements back (if there is such a thing).
How does one look himself in the mirror knowing they got a fake award.
The male that made VA 2 looked good during the first 2 rounds but should have dropped as the show progressed. But the breeder is also the judge.
Mr Goldlust: affiliation with dei precisio kennel allowed 3 dogs from their group in the VA class.
Harry looked like he was about to die in the ring. He is a disgrace to the sport.
This male was excused from the ring due to his near death experience. But the greed of owners made him continue to show. I hope he does not die from this poor decision. He looked like his stomach was turning. This dog might be prone to other issues.
The other amles were ok in the group.
Females: The siegerin. Once again the almighty Johannes has done it again. A few years ago, he did the same bs with his male Yaro v Avenir. He bought this male from Germany as a puppy. and the male became VA2. This year, he bought the siegerin (of course not under his name) and she made VA1 from beginning to end. This female did not outclass the field and thus in my opinion should have been challenged. How does UScA turn a blind eye to this type of cheating from their judge? He has not eyes for dogs anatomy. Only eyes for his pocket.
While the placements are out of anyone's control, i was dissappointed at some blatant placements.
The sieger was well deserving of his title. No competition.
The biggest dissappointments to me were VA HArry della Real Favorite and VA Yupp Heidknapp.
Especially Yupp. This male has no business in the group. How he came from position 20 to VA is crazy.
In the female group, a female also had the same "fortune". Hexe Dey Kimberlin. How does she come from middle of the pack to VA.
These dogs have a common handler, Mr Walter Kotters. Nothing against him, but the owners of these 2 dogs in particular must be ashamed of themselves.
They should give the VA placements back (if there is such a thing).
How does one look himself in the mirror knowing they got a fake award.
The male that made VA 2 looked good during the first 2 rounds but should have dropped as the show progressed. But the breeder is also the judge.
Mr Goldlust: affiliation with dei precisio kennel allowed 3 dogs from their group in the VA class.
Harry looked like he was about to die in the ring. He is a disgrace to the sport.
This male was excused from the ring due to his near death experience. But the greed of owners made him continue to show. I hope he does not die from this poor decision. He looked like his stomach was turning. This dog might be prone to other issues.
The other amles were ok in the group.
Females: The siegerin. Once again the almighty Johannes has done it again. A few years ago, he did the same bs with his male Yaro v Avenir. He bought this male from Germany as a puppy. and the male became VA2. This year, he bought the siegerin (of course not under his name) and she made VA1 from beginning to end. This female did not outclass the field and thus in my opinion should have been challenged. How does UScA turn a blind eye to this type of cheating from their judge? He has not eyes for dogs anatomy. Only eyes for his pocket.
by Darka on 23 May 2012 - 16:05
Money and Politics. Such a sad thing for our breed. The showline breeders are doing nothing to help this breed. It is very sad.
How was the bite work this year?
How was the bite work this year?
by jcs on 23 May 2012 - 16:05
Hexe was sg1 at both usa and wda also was vp1 in all puppy classes she was shown so her va title is well deserved.
by SitasMom on 23 May 2012 - 17:05
This is a ridiclous statement!
"In the female group, a female also had the same "fortune". Hexe Dey Kimberlin.
How does she come from middle of the pack to VA.
These dogs have a common handler, Mr Walter Kotters. Nothing against him, but the owners of these 2 dogs in particular must be ashamed of themselves.
They should give the VA placements back (if there is such a thing).
How does one look himself in the mirror knowing they got a fake award."
The above statement show ignorance, envy and a complete lack of sportsmanship!
Tracker1 you should be ashamed of yourself!
Hexe vom Kimberlin-Dey Haus has proved herself time and time again!
Hexe came in 1st place in every time she was shown starting with 6-9 month puppy classes - WDA and UScA!
Kathleen has worked very hard to raise, prepare and promote Hexe. As a team they have worked to ready themselves for this show. Conditioning, protection work and everything else necessary. Kathleen handled Hexe during the protection phase and recieved pronounced.
by Psycht on 23 May 2012 - 17:05
I find it ironic that someone who has no problem calling out names of others does not use their own name in posting. Don't have GSDs and will likely never have GSDs so I have no "dog" in this fight but if someone is going to list individuals they think played dirty at a show they should have the integrity to use their given name when making the allegations.
by Tracker1 on 23 May 2012 - 17:05
Okay. Nothing for me to gain or loss from posting my obserations. It is exactly that: my observation which I am free to have. Isaid nothing about the dogs or owners not training hard. Just how dogs fly from one placement to the front. Please if you were at the show, then it is ok to oppose my view. If not, then I suggest you need not insult me. Again it is just what I observed.
by Dog1 on 23 May 2012 - 19:05
I can almost see how it looks like this works. Just hire a top handler in advance and you place is guaranteed. Pretty simple. Money and politics,,, it's easy to believe too.
This handler became available when the dogs he was supposed to handle did not progress into the ring. So much for money and politics at this point. He became available to the good fortune of Yupp and Hexe. They were able to pick up a top handler last minute.
If you are familiar with these dogs it's a pretty inspiring story.
Hexe began her show career at the USA sieger show at Lake Geneva. She owned and shown by her breeder. Not a big breeder but they have a passion for their dogs and want the best for them as we all do.
I did some show training with her and her sister Helga a few days before the class. Hexe stood out immediately as an outstanding female. She was smart, enthusiastic, and learned the ring quickly. Her performance earned her first place at the show. Her first place was repeated at the first NASS in VA. She established herself as one of the best American bred females.
The following year, first time in the working class, success was not to repeat itself. Despite training and preparation the decision was made to change handlers for the protection work last minute to a more experienced handler. It's always a risky thing to do and the risk did not pay off. Hexe did not progress to the ring. This triggered a set of problems with ownership and other conditions as you can imagine. Nothing like being kicked when you're down.
Instead of giving up. They sought the help of one of the best trainers in the country and worked to do better at the next opportunity. Lots of time, lots of travel, lots of expense in preparation. Kim never gave up, she believed in the dog. She prepared her physically with an underwater treadmill for the ring months before the show. Not a big breeder, not an important person in the dog world, just one of many with a good dog hoping to do well. All the time believing her home bred dog could go VA.
Luck was with Hexe when preparation met opportunity and she was able to get a top handler. Never having worked together, things were a little rough in the ring. Walter is a fighter for every place he can get. He's skilled and has an arsenal of experience. If you're lucky enough to have him. You can rest assured he will do everything possible to place as high as possible. He's also very demanding. He expects you to be in position to call and assist at precisely the right time. If you miss a beat. You suffer the wrath of Walter. The wrath of Walter is progressive. It's a quick raising of the hand. If the result is not achieved it's a shaking of the fist, if the result is not achieved, it starts to look like a choking gesture. Next come the loud commands in German that no double handler can understand but the meaning is very obvious. Just hope you happen to do the right thing next. He turns red and it goes downhill from there. He just wants what's best for your dog.
USA strived to put on a competition where the field was even. If you want to go by previous results, which is a safe way to judge a class, there were top dogs behind them that did not fare as well. I hope most see it for what it is and are inspired. Small competitor with high hopes, a good dog, good preparation, hooks up with one of the best in the world and is able to succeed. It's just a cool thing to see for me.
This handler became available when the dogs he was supposed to handle did not progress into the ring. So much for money and politics at this point. He became available to the good fortune of Yupp and Hexe. They were able to pick up a top handler last minute.
If you are familiar with these dogs it's a pretty inspiring story.
Hexe began her show career at the USA sieger show at Lake Geneva. She owned and shown by her breeder. Not a big breeder but they have a passion for their dogs and want the best for them as we all do.
I did some show training with her and her sister Helga a few days before the class. Hexe stood out immediately as an outstanding female. She was smart, enthusiastic, and learned the ring quickly. Her performance earned her first place at the show. Her first place was repeated at the first NASS in VA. She established herself as one of the best American bred females.
The following year, first time in the working class, success was not to repeat itself. Despite training and preparation the decision was made to change handlers for the protection work last minute to a more experienced handler. It's always a risky thing to do and the risk did not pay off. Hexe did not progress to the ring. This triggered a set of problems with ownership and other conditions as you can imagine. Nothing like being kicked when you're down.
Instead of giving up. They sought the help of one of the best trainers in the country and worked to do better at the next opportunity. Lots of time, lots of travel, lots of expense in preparation. Kim never gave up, she believed in the dog. She prepared her physically with an underwater treadmill for the ring months before the show. Not a big breeder, not an important person in the dog world, just one of many with a good dog hoping to do well. All the time believing her home bred dog could go VA.
Luck was with Hexe when preparation met opportunity and she was able to get a top handler. Never having worked together, things were a little rough in the ring. Walter is a fighter for every place he can get. He's skilled and has an arsenal of experience. If you're lucky enough to have him. You can rest assured he will do everything possible to place as high as possible. He's also very demanding. He expects you to be in position to call and assist at precisely the right time. If you miss a beat. You suffer the wrath of Walter. The wrath of Walter is progressive. It's a quick raising of the hand. If the result is not achieved it's a shaking of the fist, if the result is not achieved, it starts to look like a choking gesture. Next come the loud commands in German that no double handler can understand but the meaning is very obvious. Just hope you happen to do the right thing next. He turns red and it goes downhill from there. He just wants what's best for your dog.
USA strived to put on a competition where the field was even. If you want to go by previous results, which is a safe way to judge a class, there were top dogs behind them that did not fare as well. I hope most see it for what it is and are inspired. Small competitor with high hopes, a good dog, good preparation, hooks up with one of the best in the world and is able to succeed. It's just a cool thing to see for me.
by Seppi on 23 May 2012 - 19:05
Don't blame Walter Koetters, he is the most honest and experienced handler in the world ! Maybe the quality of the other dogs where not as good in the Judges opinion?
by Dog1 on 23 May 2012 - 19:05
Yupp,, somewhat of a similar story. Owner, an experienced lab breeder/trainer decides to go to the dark side and get a German Shepherd. First time German Shepherd owner goes to Germany and imports a male by herself, for herself. Not even a breeder she want's to give this GSD thing a try. First efforts are not very productive. Marginal results with a good dog. She's a little reluctant to put the performance on the field herself so she goes with one of the local trainers who just happens to be a very talented trainer.
Yupp has an excellent work ethic. He was V59 at the German Sieger show, repeated his SchH3 here in the US. German VA father. Pretty much all the credentials to go VA. But again. Unknown owner, first time GSD owner, they are just a little off the mainstream for success.
They rebound from their NASS experience and work to do better. Do better is daily conditioning late in the evening after work. Another new person believing in their dog. You may have noticed they had the 'A' program on the field. They just were not able to put it together in the ring.
Until,,,,to their good fortune their original handler was able to score a handler even better for Yupp last minute. What good luck. All the work that went into him was suddenly in the hands of someone that could and would use every bit of it.
Ninety five degrees and halfway through the class. Walter had progressed through his hand gestures and was in the red face mode either through exasperation or exhaustion but here comes Yupp. He's moving up. Other dogs are melting and Yupp's fresh. He's right behind me and I'm in trouble. Next thing I know he moves two places in front into VA territory and I think he moved a couple more before the end. Statistically, he's not out of place. His credentials put him there where Walter had him. For me a well deserved fight into the top group by a new GSD enthusiasts that kept the faith in her dog. It's just the stuff you like to see that keeps you going to the shows. The little guys have a chance when it all comes together.
Yupp has an excellent work ethic. He was V59 at the German Sieger show, repeated his SchH3 here in the US. German VA father. Pretty much all the credentials to go VA. But again. Unknown owner, first time GSD owner, they are just a little off the mainstream for success.
They rebound from their NASS experience and work to do better. Do better is daily conditioning late in the evening after work. Another new person believing in their dog. You may have noticed they had the 'A' program on the field. They just were not able to put it together in the ring.
Until,,,,to their good fortune their original handler was able to score a handler even better for Yupp last minute. What good luck. All the work that went into him was suddenly in the hands of someone that could and would use every bit of it.
Ninety five degrees and halfway through the class. Walter had progressed through his hand gestures and was in the red face mode either through exasperation or exhaustion but here comes Yupp. He's moving up. Other dogs are melting and Yupp's fresh. He's right behind me and I'm in trouble. Next thing I know he moves two places in front into VA territory and I think he moved a couple more before the end. Statistically, he's not out of place. His credentials put him there where Walter had him. For me a well deserved fight into the top group by a new GSD enthusiasts that kept the faith in her dog. It's just the stuff you like to see that keeps you going to the shows. The little guys have a chance when it all comes together.
by Cesna on 23 May 2012 - 20:05
Harry is now 2 times VA under two different SV judges...and will have a very super progeny group.. Protection work was super and he himself is a super dog! He deserves to be VA and will continue to be shown, as well as his progeny.. He also comes from an outstanding bloodline!! Harry was never pulled from the ring due to any condition... He was handled by his former owner and trainer... We are all very proud of Harry!! Yes, I will defend my dog...
Hexe is beautiful and deserving...
Congrats to everyone who competed... Randy... you have some amazing dogs and breedings, as well as lot of support and knowledge...
Hexe is beautiful and deserving...
Congrats to everyone who competed... Randy... you have some amazing dogs and breedings, as well as lot of support and knowledge...
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