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Hi.

I just purchased a german Shepherd from my friend's dad and he said that he had 2 people who wanted to breed with him. He is an import bred motherfrom Czech Republic, father from Germany. His father is a current working K-9 narcotics dog. Zeus (my dog) is a trained narcotics dog and has an amazing disposition. Since he is an import bred he does not have papers, according to what I was told. 

I do want to stud him but I want to make sure I am going about it the right way. I am seting up a vet appointment for him next week, just to go over everything with my vet. Can anyone give me a little insight as to what I should do/get done before I list him for studding? He is not my first GSD, but he is the first I am planning on studding. Thanks for the help!

Paper him, work him, have him breed surveyed, have his hips x-rayed and graded by OFA and/or Penn Hip, have his elbows and eyes checked and have genetic testing done for DM.  Once you have all that done, then you can consider breeding him if you can find a complimentary female in which the pairing will better the breed, you can do that by getting a complete pedigree of at least five generations and consulting with someone very knowledgeable and they can help you find a suitable female.

If someone told you that the dog couldn't be registered because one of the parents was an import that is a lie, they havent' done due diligence on their part....my guess is that that either the sire or dam was not registered and that is why the litter wasn't registered.  My female has a german import father and she was born in the US and I imported her to Canada.  She is registered (or her litter is, I am still muddling through the headache of getting her registered but that's a whole nother story) and when and if she has puppies (after all of the above is done) they will be registered.

The above mentioned should take a few years and a few thousand dollars.  Hips can't be done until 2 years old.  Once you have your litter on the ground be prepared for the worst....pour your heart, blood, sweat and tears in to it and possibly a crap ton of money.  If you're lucky you might break even.

Do yourself a favour....don't bother.  LOL. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Since he is an import bred he does not have papers, according to what I was told

Bullshit. Many dogs are imported with papers, and can then be registered with the AKC. The breeder probably just couldn't be bothered providing them. Many police canines do NOT have papers, as a pedigree doesn't mean anything for the sort of work they do. They may not even be purebred (which would explain why they don't have papers.) It's the ability to work that counts.

You need to do your homework before breeding. How old is this dog? Have his hips and elbows been x-rayed? What is your goal in breeding him? Are the people who THINK they want puppies from him prepared to handle a high-drive dog that may have a lot of natural aggression? Many working line pups go through a 'pirannha' stage where they will bite everything within reach. Are the prospective owners prepared for THAT?

Does the owner of the bitch have prospective homes for all the pups which may be born? Eight to ten pups in a litter is not uncommon.

These dogs will be considered pet quality, due to the lack of papers. You owe it to the dog to make sure every puppy produced is wanted, and is going to go to a home that is capable of caring for it. NOT EVERYONE CAN HANDLE A WORKING LINE GSD, and a lot of them wind up in the pound, and are euthanized. WL dogs are selected for their strong drives, and full, firm grips when biting. These  tendencies are not what your average (pet) dog owner is looking for.


Edit: aceofspades said it much better than I did. DON'T DO IT! No one is going to want to use him as a stud if he doesn't have papers.. You'll just be providing fodder for the puppy mills and backyard breeders!



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Please don't breed your dog until all the health checks are done and you have registration. I believe one should only breed to improve the breed, and without the proper health checks and registration AT MINIMUM, you are not improving anything, just breeding pets. There are plenty of PETS that come from health screened, registered dogs - please don't breed your dog!

Also, without known genetic history of the dog you have NO idea what he comes from, what he could produce, and what to predict for his personal future health, how his littermates are doing, etc. I dont know why anyone would want to breed to that. Get his papers, do your research, then decide if he SHOULD be bred, not just because people want him to.

thank you for the advice everyone!

I will give just my opinion and not try and tell you what to do with your dog. I have a nice successful breeding program for over 20 years now. The last 10 years I have used only out side stud dogs. I have driven a long way to get to the stud dog, or have had fresh chilled semen shipped in for AI implants.
 
I will tell you what is important to me when I begin my search. First the dog would have to be registered before I would even look at any of the other points I am going to mention. So on that note a lone I would not consider your dog. I like using stud dogs where the owners of the dog themselves are active in some dog sport. German Shepherds need a job to do, weather that is SchH, AKC, UKC obedience, rally, tracking, herding, fly ball or the awesome companion at home working with the family.  The dog would have to have some type of working title, and have had his hips and elbows x-rayed and certified. I have used one male that was not titled but he met all my other qualifications.  Having the pedigree to look at I can in part see how the health has been from his lines. I like visiting with the owners to find out about the temperament, and many other things about the stud dog. I want to know his weakness and strengths so I can determine if he will add to my girls. This is just the beginning before I finally make the decision on the dog.  I usually would have contacted 2 stud dog owners incase when my girl was ready if one was competing and were not available. I say all of this, just so you know you DON’T just throw 2 dogs together to try and produce puppies. IMO

Ctidmore-

Thank you for the info. I acutally talked to the man that I purchased him from and he does have his pedigree and papers on both of his parents, so I can get that from him. He just never registered him, so I am going to get the papers from him and start the paperwork on getting him registered. Also, he has not had the x-rays done on his hips/elbows yet b/c he is only 18 mos and I guess they have to be 2 for an official confirmation of good structure. So, the hip/elbow testing is to come, but he did have him evaulated and the evaluation was excellent and both parents have A ratings on their hip/elbows. I will start looking at different competitions I could get him into, but he is fully trained in obedience, he is a trained narcotics dog and also has such a good demeanor that I trust him to play with my 3 and 5 year olds. He gets along amazingly with other dogs. We have an English Bulldog and they clicked immediately. I appreciate your insight and suggestions.

OFA requires the dog to be two, SV 12 months so if you decide to do SV you are good to go. but do it after you get your paperwork in order and good luck with him, he is a lucky boy.