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by Slamdunc on 26 March 2012 - 00:03
This is from the GSDCA website regarding unethical Breeders:
Here is the link to the page:
http://www.gsdca.org/german-shepherd-dogs/choosing-a-puppy/unethical-breeders
Unethical Breeders
When you talk to breeders about their puppies, there are a few warning signs that you may be dealing with a disreputable, unethical, or irresponsible breeder:
How to read those ads. A few more things to look out for. "Champion lines" - look instead for Champion sired or Champion parents. "Champion Lines" means there is one dog somewhere in that puppy's family that was a champion - it says nothing about the quality of the parents at all. Anyone can buy a puppy from a champion, but it does not mean that they have any other interest in the breed but to bank on the name and make money. The puppy may have been sold as a pet and an unethical person did not have the dog spayed/neutered and is still breeding puppies. Having a Champion in a pedigree is like having a billionaire relative. It doesn't mean that you are rich unless each generation from that relative has passed down the money. "AKC Registration" or "AKC Papers" - So what? AKC registration does not guarantee quality. AKC papers are much like the title of a car; papers are issued to the junked Chevy on blocks in your yard just as easily as they are on a brand new, shiny Jaguar. AKC does not control breeding, approve litters, or guarantee temperaments. Unfortunately, in the hands of some unethical breeders, it doesn't even guarantee that the dog is purebred. AKC Registration is automatic if you buy from a reputable breeder - they will provide all necessary paperwork when you buy a puppy. It is not a selling point, and shouldn't be treated as one. Be wary of other "registrations," as well. There are several groups that are registering dogs, even mixed breeds, for a fee.This registration means nothing, and is of no value to you. Not that AKC papers really mean much, either. "Extra-Big", "Extra-Small" - breeders trying for extremes are rarely raising healthy dogs, and any ad that has to stress the size and weight of the dog to sell the puppies is suspect. Usually, these dogs are outside of the breed's norm and are subject to their own medical problems due to excessive size or lack of it. "Rare" - Why? Are there too many defects for the animal to be bred? What kind of problems does this "rare" color or size entail? Medical? Behavioral? Shop with care. "See Both Parents" - This is not usually a good thing. Rarely will a good breeder have the luck to own both dogs for the perfect litter. If you can see both parents, it may mean that the person had two dogs in the backyard and didn't supervise them carefully enough, resulting in puppies, or that they bred to a dog of convenience they already owned. There are some good and very reasonable reasons to have both parents on site. However, you need to ask the right questions and understand why this is true. If the breeder doesn't have an answer, or the answer is something like, "Well, they were just such cute dogs . . ." or "We bought another dog so we could have puppies," you need to evaluate whether this breeder is doing the right thing. They might be, they might not. It's up to you to ask. "Must go now!" - Why? Are they too big to be cute anymore? Need more money? Is there a problem? Usually because there are more on the way. Be very wary of this one. |
Last Updated on Friday, 23 July 2010 13:51 |
This may help some of the novice members read ads posted on forums and make an educated decision. Next, I will post what ethical breeders may do.
Jim

by Slamdunc on 26 March 2012 - 00:03
Ethical Breeders:
Also from the GSDCA website:
Here is the link to the website:
http://www.gsdca.org/german-shepherd-dogs/choosing-a-puppy/ethical-breeders
Conscientious Breeders
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by Slamdunc on 26 March 2012 - 00:03
Here is the link:
http://www.breeders.net/ethics.php
Breeders.net Code of Ethics
- I will provide information on the characteristics and properties of the breed to interested individuals.
- I will maintain a safe, clean and sanitary facility for all stud dogs, bitches, adult dogs for sale and puppies for sale.
- I will breed only for the purpose of improving the quality of the breed. I will not engage in cross-breeding. I will conscientiously plan each litter of puppies for sale, selecting a stud dog and bitch to be mated based on their pedigrees, conformation and temperament.
- I will be knowledgeable about inherited health problems in my breed and will do appropriate health clearances on all breeding animals. Copies of these health clearances will be available to buyers of adult dogs for sale and puppies for sale.
- I will not knowingly misrepresent the characteristics of the breed, nor falsely advertise, or mislead any person regarding the performance of any dogs for sale or puppies for sale.
- I will not breed any male or female until they are both physically and mentally mature, and I will not continue to breed any male or female beyond an appropriate age for the breed.
- I will comply with all federal, state or provincial and local government laws and regulations concerning the keeping of dogs.
- If puppies offered for sale to persons inquiring through the Breeders.NET directory are to be registered, they will be registered only with the American Kennel Club, United Kennel Club, Canadian Kennel Club or other registry with equivalent standards and requirements. If such puppies are not to be registered, I will inform the buyer of that fact in writing.
- I will refrain from releasing any puppy until it is at least seven (7) weeks old, or eight (8) weeks old if the puppy is to be shipped.
- I will show discrimination in the sale of my puppies and be concerned with the type of homes in which they are placed. I will make buyers aware of their responsibilities as dog owners. I will not sell or donate dogs to commercial dog wholesalers, dealers, brokers, retailers, pet shops or any other person or organization, for resale or "give-away" to the public. I will not supply dogs or puppies for charity raffles or auctions. I will not supply puppies or dogs to be trained or used for dog fighting.
- I will keep accurate records and retain those records for a minimum of five years. These records will include: stud service contracts, pedigrees, all litters of puppies for sale, and all dogs/puppies sold.
- I am not a broker, dealer, puppy mill or wholesaler. I will not offer puppies for sale that I have acquired from others. I will not sell puppies to pet shops or other retailers.
- At time of sale, I will provide the buyer:
- a properly executed Registration Certificate together with full written disclosure of the name of the Registry and its standards and requirements (or if puppy is not to be registered, a written statement to that effect). Registration materials may be withheld if a written statement is provided to the new owner of when, and under what conditions, they will be provided (e.g. until the time of spay or neuter by the new owner as verified by a veterinarian, or if a written certification identifying the exact date of birth, and the registration numbers of the Sire and Dam is provided instead).
- a written, three-generation pedigree
- health record including a diet, inoculation and parasite control record, and health guarantee.
- basic diet and care information.
- the time frame during which the puppy or dog may be examined by a licensed veterinarian, at the buyer's expense, and, upon written recommendation of the veterinarian for specific reasons, the puppy or dog may be retuned to the seller for a full refund of all money paid.
- I will not deliberately degrade any fancier, their dogs, or their kennel.
- I will be honest and ethical in my financial dealings with buyers.
- Breeder Web Pages created on Breeders.NET must represent and be descriptive of the specific services of the Kennel. The link to your own, privately hosted web page from Breeders.NET is only permitted IF your web page is a descriptive representation of your kennel and dog breeding services YOU provide. Links to pages of advertisements and links to anything but your kennel are not permitted.
I agree to be a resource for buyers of puppies or older dogs that I have sold for the life of the dog.All breeders in Breeders.NET directory are required to agree to the above Code of Ethics and to be bound by its standard of behavior.
To review the Code of Ethics for specific breed clubs, you'll find their web sites by visiting www.akc.org for American Kennel Club recognized breeds, www.ukcdogs.com for United Kennel Club recognized breeds and www.ckc.ca for Canadian breed clubs.
DISCLAIMER
Breeders.NET assumes no responsibility for the quality, health, or temperament of any dog, nor the warranty, guarantee, integrity, honesty or reliability, expressed or implied, by any person or of or by any person or organization whose name appears in the Breeders.NET directory. All such warranties, guarantees and promises are between buyer(s) and seller(s) as individuals.
All buyers are strongly encouraged to carefully document, in writing, all representations, promises, statements, warranties and guarantees made by sellers of puppies for sale and older dogs for sale. Such documentation should be signed by the seller. Breeders.NET cannot and does not become involved in resolving conflicts and disagreements between buyers and sellers. Breeders.NET's responsibility is limited to requesting assurance from listed breeders that they abide by terms of the Breeders.NET Code of Ethics.
BREEDER DISQUALIFICATION
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This is not an endorsement of Breeders.Net by me, but the Code of Ethics is a starting point, the bare minimum.
by Ace952 on 26 March 2012 - 01:03

by northwoodsGSD on 26 March 2012 - 01:03
by hexe on 26 March 2012 - 03:03
Here's link to the GSDCA's Breeder's Code of Ethics, though--and sadly, nowhere in this document is it stated that dogs will not be bred if they have not been certified clear of hip and elbow dysplasia...it merely says 'an exchange of pedigrees and hip and elbow X-ray information must be made' before or at the time of a breeding. If no X-rays were done, then there's no info to be exchanged, is there? And even if X-rays WERE done--nowhere does it say that the dogs must have been found to be free of these two issues prior to being bred, does it? There's nothing in this document that directs a breeder to refrain from breeding animals which are too young to have hip and elbow certifications, either.
http://www.gsdca.org/join-the-gsdca/breeders-code
It's a weak "code" at best, frankly.
But I'm not just picking on the GSDCA--most of the parent breed clubs in the US have similar BCOE's for their members, lacking in admonitions against breeding animals which were not certified free of the heritable conditions affecting those breeds; it would be easier to cite the parent club BCOE's that DO address such points in plain English and no uncertain terminology than to list the ones that don't, to be frank.
And we can't look to the AKC for such a document, either--that would cut too far into their revenue, as most of the people breeding AKC-registered litters would never be capable of living up to even the limited standards of practice that the breed club BCOEs outline.
[Derp!-- Edited because I forgot to add the freakin' link!!]

by GSD Admin on 26 March 2012 - 04:03
The beat them over the head approach will not work.

by Slamdunc on 26 March 2012 - 05:03
by Ibrahim on 26 March 2012 - 07:03
After getting decent education on the breed to a good extent, most of this education was from this site, here's what I care for if I decide to buy a puppy in future,
1. Breeder should be truthful with me and answer my questions honestly and not with a salesmanship mind.
2. Breeder should have a good reputation in regards to previous transactions with customers.
3. His/her kennel should be clean and provides enough space for the dogs
4. His dogs should be fed good quality food and well taken care of in regards to medical follow up
5. Dogs should be healthy.
6. Dogs should be certified against common diseases such as HD, ED etc
7. Breeder should have very good knowledge on the breed and breeding practice
8. Dogs should have at least the minimum requirements for breeding, titles, survey etc
9. Dogs should be registered and puppies are registerable.
If the breeder fullfills all above but is a liar or deceitful then nothing else he/she's excelling at means anything to me. I can understand or accept any missing item from 6 to 9 due to a certain specific case but I wouldn't accept any missing item from 1 to 5.
Me and few of my friends decided to start breeding and currently are working on it, we do not have the facility here to meet items 6 to 9, we will make that well known to customers, we will not claim that our aim is to better the breed, we will not claim our puppies are as good as what can be imported from the country of breed origin, we will not use the internet to make false claims, propaganda or bait customers, the puppy price will only cover part of the actual cost, no mass production, we will not encourage further breeding of our puppies, each customer will be advised to look for a puppy for adoption before he/she buys a puppy from us. We will tell the truth. Now I know I may be hated for what we will do by some of the members here whom I look high to, that is fine, at least I am being honest and I will not say otherwise or convince anyone to buy a puppy from us, I don't need to and I won't claim I am as good a breeder as the average breeder over here.
This site was created as I understand for the love of the breed, I do not understand how a deceitful breeder who does not meet the basic requirements of ethical breeding when he/she has all facilities in his/her country to check and verify HD, ED etc, train and title his/her dogs, enjoys the availability of show rings and various clubs, I do not understand how such a breeder is allowed to misuse this site and bait customers into buying an unhealthy puppy or dog. And so no one thinks that I am referring to latest discussions involving certain breeders, I am not and I am not suggesting that any member should attack a breeder without facts.
I do not understand when a liar is exposed for the public it is not ethical but breeding a sick dog is ethical and okay.
Please do not limit what I am saying to a certain case, focus on the principle and general idea.
Why claim what you are not !! Why claim your dogs are better than what they really are !!! Be honest with your own self no matter what others might think of you, accept what you are, at least people will not call you dishonest, liar or deceitful. Let them call you unsuccessful or lower quality breeder that is much better than "liar" .

by macrowe1 on 26 March 2012 - 11:03
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