Nick vom Heilingenbosch

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by judron55 on 14 March 2012 - 18:03

I've heard that Nick had severe back problems and was possibly not the sire of some of his offspring due to such. I have heard he had major back surgery and wasn't able to mount a bitch. Can this be confirmed?

by Q Man on 14 March 2012 - 19:03

Maybe you should ask Koos...of "Tiekerhook Kennels"

by Brandi on 14 March 2012 - 19:03

Agreed, email Koos and ask him. Always good to get other's opinions as well. If indeed this was true, the truth may not come to light anyway. If he did have such back problems, it is possible the issue was from being worked hard. A.I. could have been used for breeding. I don't believe Koos would have lied about litters, but whose to say others didn't falsify their dog's pedigrees...happens all the time.
Good luck.

by GSDguy08 on 14 March 2012 - 20:03

I've been told dogs are sometimes injured in courage tests, , or from just working too hard. Any truth to that? Like a football player who plays for years, his body isn't going to be in top shape years into his career.

by Ace952 on 14 March 2012 - 21:03

in the dog world I have learned to be skeptical of everyone.

by Q Man on 14 March 2012 - 21:03

A few years ago I did ask Koos about Nick...because I had a Nick son and wanted to know if it was genetic or from working hard and maybe got hurt from Long Bites (Courage Test)...
At that time Koos told me that he did have surgery on his back but that it was from many hard hits...Compressing the vertebrae and causing problems...I did ask directly if he thought it was genetic...He told me "No"...
I have no reason not to take what he told me as the truth or was it a breeder protecting himself...I thought it was the truth...

I love the Nick lines but knowing what I do about his bloodlines...I'd prefer having them farther back in the pedigree...

~Bob~

by alaman on 14 March 2012 - 22:03

I've got a granddaughter and she hits like him, if not harder. No problems at all. Just have to be sure handler knows how to catch a dog like that to avoid injury as well as limiting courage tests to trials and not to show off.

by judron55 on 15 March 2012 - 11:03

I asked because of a discussion we were having on a pedigree list I'm on. The individual stated they didn't want a linebreeding on Nick and stated why. The main reason was back problems. Also there was concern about stubborness and lack of work ethic. I have a bitch linebred on Nicks' sire and dam...female through Nick and male through Jaro vom Ruhbachtal..repeat breeding of Nick. I've also heard that Nick had prostate problems. I know from discussions that Nicks' litter was not considered an overall good litter...and that Nicko was considered a much better dog....thanks folks....

by Lynx on 15 March 2012 - 12:03

//was possibly not the sire of some of his offspring due to such.//

It can be checked by DNA test. Have anyone heard about Nick's offsprings that their DNA was not confirmed?

by Gustav on 15 March 2012 - 13:03

Nick is a dog that i don't mind seeing in a pedigree, but wouldn't want a dog linebred on him. But that's just me....I'm sure there are some good dogs linebred on him, but I place a lot of value in whether a great dog has brothers and sisters with high negatives. Because the great dog is made up of the same genetics as the brothers or sisters.

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