PLEASE READ & RESPOND IF U KNOW SHEPHERDS...Mambo Vom Thuringer-Weg Great Grand-Kids--how to price

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by bondos mom on 28 June 2009 - 22:06

I should have been more clear...I have NO plans to breed both dogs at the same time...actually, I only want to breed them each one time a year. I dont want to be overwhelmed or the puppies to not get the attention and care they need and deserve. I just wasnt sure if the pedigree from the grandparents back is remarkable if these puppies would "have it in them" to be as trainable, etc...as these titled dogs in their pedigree or if they would only be "pet quality" since the parents were not shown. Both parents do have the "a" stamp, tho. And I am trying to find out how to go about getting it for my dogs, as well. Will that make a difference in the puppies?.....Now where I originally began........... I am the owner of 2 grand-daughters of Mambo Vom Thuringer-Weg and have plans to breed them in a year or so. They will be bred to a male who has some Titled dogs in his pedigree, but not nearly as many as my females. The other grand-father of my females is Kuckoszeli Ilko. The grandmothers of my females are V Jara Von Der Berdenow and VAC-Vagvolgyi Given. I am as new to the world of German Shepherds as one can be, and in my breeding, my "goal" is to raise healthy, beautiful family pets. I do not know enought to train or breed for show. All of my dogs are longcoats, personally I just think they are absolutely gorgeous, and you dont see any in or around my area of Northeast Tennessee. My question is, with this pedigree, what do those of you who know so much about the world of shephers think I should price these puppies at? As I said before, it will be a year of so before they are bred....I am just trying to learn as much and get as much information and advice as I can early on!!! I will be happy to email pictures of the dogs to anyone who might can help me with this but would like to see what the dogs look like before they advise me!! And thank you in advance for any advice anyone can give me......us new comers really rely on the people who have done this a long time and know more than I probably will ever learn!! You can email me at: renegaderidge@yahoo.com because sometimes I do not sign on to pedigree database for days at a time but I always check my email. Thanks so much!! Clara

by VonIsengard on 29 June 2009 - 00:06

How far back are you talking? When you're looking at dogs who don't have a title to be found for several generations, in my opinion they are not proven structurally or mentally, and therefore are not worth more than several hundred dollars. Are they at least OFAed? What kind of guarantee are you offering? I suggest you take the next year prior to breeding your girls to get involved in the breed and learn as much as you can. This is no small undertaking. edit: I just noticed in your ad you want a breeding dog, and you say "great pedigree is not important". Oh, my goodness! Genetics are very important! Research, research, research, before you breed!

by Two Moons on 29 June 2009 - 05:06

I think you should forget about it period.
You'll get no more than your local market will bare, unless you go online and then you'll really have headaches.
Healthy dogs, no titles, OFA's.........depending on pedigrees.......... confirmation......temperment....... $350.00
Been there done that.
It costs more for proper feeding, vets bills, and your time and trouble.

Moons.

by malshep on 29 June 2009 - 11:06

I agree research this before you breed. There are so many dogs in shelters as it is, will you have upfront buyers standing in line for all the puppys.... 2 females: 24 puppies? Will you have time to imprint all these puppies? Will you have time to work with each puppy and see who would be a good match for ownership? Please understand I am not trying todiscourage you, I just feel if you are going to breed you need to be a responsible one. IMO.
Always,
Cee

by jbaker1980 on 29 June 2009 - 17:06

don't breed both at same time 24 pups is very hard to raise to 8 weeks$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$food$$$$$$vet$$$$$ Iknow i had 18 at one time/ never again!!!!

by bondos mom on 29 June 2009 - 22:06

can you email a copy of the pedigree or a list of the names on it to me

by Sunsilver on 30 June 2009 - 02:06

bondos mom, look at the sidebar on the left of your screen. At the very top, you will see 'Pedigree Search'. Click on that, and enter the name of the dog you want to search for. It will give you a 3 generation pedigree, complete with photos. You can search forwards by clicking on the list of the dog's progeny, or go backwards, by clicking on 5, 6 or 7 generation pedigree.
You can even add in your own dogs, if you want, though it's a bid fiddly to do, until you get the hang of it.

Here's the link to Mambo's pedigree:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/123741.html

Nice looking male!

by malshep on 30 June 2009 - 10:06

Hi Clara, if I was looking for a puppy, I would want the parents to be both have proven themselves on a trial field, whether it be AKC companion dog, herding or as far as Shutzhund. At this point your pups would be more marketable. As I said just to breed to have pet quality, go to your local shelter and see how many pet quality end up there. IMO some pet quality owners say well I only spent little on a pup that is not working out, we will just dump them. To go on, my Jami has proven parents, she is very trainable, she has what it takes to be go far on the trail field, her prelim hips OFA are good, elbows no dysplasia, she has an off button, will I breed her NO. There are too many nice dogs already out there. The all is IMO. As I said in another post, please do your research before you breed. Pet quality pups should not be below 350.00 and if you add up all the vet visits for you b...ch, and puppy shots, you are not really making any profit. Any lower in that price you will only be getting people answering your ad that will not want your pups as pets, they will buy them for ..........., you fill in the blanks. I am sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear but sometimes the truth hurts. Just take a real hard look at what you want to do.
Always,
Cee

by VKFGSD on 03 July 2009 - 09:07

What the HLL are you thinking???? The questions you have posted on this db show that you do NOT have even a rudimentary knowledge of this breed. Yet you are already are pricing pups supposedly not to be born for more than a year ( yeah right). Hint the market will be what the market will be THEN not NOW. Oh and these are pups from parents that you don't know the pedigree on and even if you did have NO CLUE about WHO those animals were and what they brought to the table. You do not know there is no such thing as a plush GSD. You do not know the difference between OFA or a stamp or how to get them. You do not know what linebreeding is. YOU DO NOT KNOW - THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

If you truly love the GSD then FIRST learn about it AND that includes training your dogs in some venue - herding, schutzhund, tracking, obedience ( and serious training not rally or UKC). If you do not know enough to train and breed for show you do not know enough to breed. To be a good breeder you have to know correct structure, temperament and character. You need to start going to shows ( AKC, USA, WDA- and if you don't know what those stand for you need to learn that too) and trials ( herding, schutzhund, obedience etc again AKC, USA, WDA and AHBA, ASCA etc). When you've gone to several dozen or even better several hundred perhaps you will have started to get an understanding of the breed and it's abilities and therefore the types of homes we MUST find for this breed. If you have a good eye and talk with knowledgeable owners and breeders you may also start to have an understanding of what correct structure and temperament is and what makes if correct and why.

You must always breed for the best because nature is a powerful force which pushes back to the median so even in the best bred litters there are plenty of pets. If you breed for less than the best ( ie pets) you will only be producing less and less quality with each passing litter.

If you are not willing to pay your dues and learn first PLEASE do us all a favor and go find another breed to get "rich" off by breeding crappy dogs for "pets".

by muttlover25 on 03 July 2009 - 13:07

I agree with the above statements there are too many "pet quality" pups out there already. Ever litter has them so whats the point in breeding more? You even state you do not know enough to show/train that statement alone shows you what you need to start with. Start attending some shows and events and start taking some obedience classes with your dogs, learn as much about them as possible. They might be great at home in their familiar environment but might be afraid of everything once you leave the house, maybe they are great with your other dogs but dog aggressive outside of your property. You really need to learn more about them, their good points and their bad not every dog should be bred. Take a close look at your local shelters they are loaded with pure bred "pet quality' German Shepherds waiting for homes. Long coats are certainly not rare and just because you don't see any in your area doesn't mean they aren't there. We do Shepherd Rescue specifically long-coats we get a ton of these dogs into rescue from Kill shelters.
Amy

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