Experiences from breeding showlines with working lines - Page 16

Gustav, it wasn't me who talked about GSD's in rescue

As far as talking about my experiences with WL's, well, it was the truth. I saw what I saw and I know what I know.

And every time you saw a peace off that board, it's still too short.

Blitzen, I KNOW it wasn't YOU that said it, my point was that BOTH statements are not grounded in reality, although they may be someones experience. If you see 2 examples of something, but what you saw is the exception and not the norm, wouldn't you want to know that, though this is your experience, as it doesn't represent what most people see or what most cases are????? I try to deal in factual content when talking with others, I feel a responsibility to not mislead someone about this breed when I speak about aspects of the breed. Maybe this isn't important to others, maybe their experience is more important....I was trying to help or educate on WL and aggression, but you know what, I'll let people wallow in their personal bliss.

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Blitzen, I really do not understand why anyone would take others experience with wl, sl, or asl as personal, which you do seem to do. I disagree that s/l cannot be mentioned or discussed here or the GSD in whatever form it comes in. I have done so from the time I joined and the discussions could get quite nasty before the mods.

The dogs speak for themselves, no one says poor things about the s/l dogs who compete at high levels, some of whose owners/trainers have participated in this thread. The reputation of the s/l has been earned by the breeders/judges who have brought it to what it is, and by those who live on that river in Egypt, where life is always good. Why would you feel responsibility or the need to defend.

I am going to guess that I have about as much experience/years as most here who show dogs and my experience, especially with ASL seems very different from yours. With the GSL, I have been very disappointed with the line overall and I don't mind saying so. And it really does not take a dog suitable for LE to satisfy my wants and needs.

Rik

You're right, Rik, I have deleted that post.

Q U O T E :

Not a breeder, but I do own and work a show/working cross who is almost 3 years old. My male has a strong working pedigree and I feel that carries a lot of what I see in terms of working ability. We train in a few venues, schutzhund being our main focus. He has done agility and obedience and has his HIC and will continue with lessons in herding as well (tending). I will start off by saying that I love my boy with my whole heart and I now enjoy working with him a lot. But.. It was a hard start. He lacked the drive, motivation and willingness to work for me as a younger dog. I did A LOT of drive building, and still do before a working session. He does not have much of a toy/ball/tug drive so finding what worked for him (and me) was hard. He has extremely low food drive as well. He is also very independent and would much rather be tracking than doing obedience. At almost 3 years old, he is now just getting ready for his BH in the spring. He is not a flashy dog at all, but the fact that he is at a point where he will work with me is a great start. He has great nerve, totally sound with his environment, I did a lot of socializing as a pup/dog and still do (we live smack dap in the middle of a huge city in Canada) but I don't think it really would of mattered. Nothing phases him. He was a bit reactive as a pup but I have come to learn that it was a training issue (me allowing him to get away with things) as I have worked with many people in and out of the schH world regarding the issue (which was not really an issue to begin with.. lol). He has great stamina, okay structure (weak pastures, cow hocked and easty-westy) but his temperament is spot on. Great with other dogs, people and especially kids. He has medium to high thresholds and is quick to jump from prey to defense, but settles within milaseconds if the threat is gone/netural. He is very much a thinker. I now have a young female (1/2 Czech, 1/4 DDR, 1/4 WG) who is what I would consider an amazing working dog. She is still young but excelling in schH s far. Rock soild dog and an amazing worker. I am all for breeding with a goal in mind and using the different lines, but I would like to see breeders really put thought into what is being produced and how to accomplish that. My male is great, but for me personally, I perfer a little more... I like my working lines.

And there you have it. This is what you will produce 95% of the time, a pain in the ass who is marginal at best. Look how the poor owner had to make it clear that "she loves her dog" when clearly, that is some sort of social response so that others do not go after her for "not loving her dog"

I have no idea what I was thinking responding to this. 

I have several working dogs...and I have this female who is half East german/czech and half West German show line.....she has TONS of drive..and is also sweet too...but tons of drive!
I am breeding her back to a DDR East german working line male...and expect great pups...

I have noticed that if you find the right show line female with a stable temperament and good drive and breed it to a working line male.......you will get prettier pups with still working capabilities...bigger boned,,nice look and structure...
I don't like t he slanted hips...

but check her pedigree to see Geisha.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=680515

The working line dogs behind Geisha have nice conformation, she has a very beautiful face, beautiful markings & lively almond shaped eyes, thanks for sharing.

Ibrahim