Experiences from breeding showlines with working lines - Page 13

LOL. OK those dogs were not aggressive. What in your opinion would constitute an aggressive dog?

Blitzen, when you did the BH with your dog - the other dog broke the long down and tried to bite you then your dog? What a horrible experience that must have been for you.  I cannot even count the number of SchH trials I have seen (either trialed in, attended to watch, etc..) and while I have seen dogs break the dog long down, even seen one or two dog scuffs - I have never seen one go after the other handler.  

I have seen "aggression" in dogs of all lines, but IMO it is usually more of a "fear" or nerve issue than true aggression.  Not so common to see TRUE aggression I think.  

I can see where the examples you stated could be training issues.  I am curious of no. 3.... no longer welcome in training because they indescriminately bite the helpers?  Helpers as in guy wearing the sleeve? or helper as in someone just helping out with the class?  If they are biting the decoy/helper, why would they no longer be welcome?  If they are biting someone in the class who is helping with training, then I understand that.

It is sad to me that out of 25 working line dogs you have seen most have been "aggressive".  Also shocks me quite a bit.... as I do not know of anyone else who has had such horrible experiences.  I have to wonder if maybe if you would have gotten to know the dogs/situations better you may have a different opinion?  Maybe they were having training issues when you seen them? or?  

Just find it odd that you have not met many (any?) even decent working line dogs.  I have had the exact opposite experience with a much higher number of dogs. 

The dog that was biting the helper would run from the handler and bite the helper anywhere it could. I don't know why the owner was asked to not bring the dog back to class. The owner told me the story, she didn't elaborate and I didn't ask since she was visibly upset.

The dog that broke the long down ran  after my dog and the handler. I was not handling her. The handler got bit trying to keep my dog from being attacked. The workingline has since earned his Sch 1 and seems to be doing better now. He was probably after my dog, not the handler. 

 I'm beginning to regret having said anything negative about workinglines. I know how you feel when dogs you love are critisized.  Sorry I even mentioned any of this.

Misinterpretation of dog behavior is what gets a lot dogs in hot water. Sharing one's experience is not necessarily criticism. Most of the time lack of knowledge is the reason for misinterpretation. Therefore education is the key.

Not odd at all to find aggression in workingline dogs, just check the rescues and shelters. Let's not sugar coat this! Agreed education is the key, would be nice if it could be a two-way street. 

Yes, Blitzen, time to backout gracefully, now, while you still can. 

Agreed education is the key, would be nice if it could be a two-way street. 
 

I'm learning a lot.  So did your handler ever get your BH for you?

Daryl are you talking to me? My current dog was BHOT handled to her BH which she had when I got her 6 months ago. Thanks for asking.

Yeah, BeeTree, descretion is the better part of valor .

I did a show/working cross with excellent results.All four of the pups grewup with very nice conformations,temperment and working abilitys.They all can be with the family and be calm or go out and do want ever you want them to do.In my eyes that is a true GSD.
Would I do this cross again you bet I would.

beetree your right people are breeding to much aggression with these dogs and there owner can't handle them and guess want the dog pays the price there taken to the shelter or offten PTS.
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Hey, Daryl, I learned a lot about people here. How about you?