Experiences from breeding showlines with working lines - Page 11

No, that was probably Petra's dog, Oprah. A big doggy bitch? The bitch I'm talking about was handled by a thin gal with dark hair. Maybe she didn't show, I heard she was entered.

Sorry I missed you!!

Yeah the thin young ladys dog was a litte "FIREBALL". Lol. She did a nice job. Dog was very enthusiastic about the work. Them 2 will have fun together for along time in the future. The older guys wl dog did very well. I give that guy "A LOT OF CREDIT" for getting that dog where he is. That is not easily done. I had some inside informationon on that dog. He was so nasty the cops didn't want him....lol

Wasn't she a fireball? I told her owner I wanted to steal her.

I didn't realize the older gentleman's dog was such a handful although he was a bit "vocal" lol. He sure did a great job with him. Don't you just love it when owner handlers do so well with their dogs?  They are my inspiration!

Do you two have to have this conversation here?

The workingdogs are closer to the standard in conformation, that they are not what wins in shows is another story. If endurance and a healthy structure is what showdogs are supposed to add, why did the old herdingdogs look so different, and basically all breeds us looked for performance. Just look at a wolf foor example, do it need a human judgement to say it has wrong structure for a perfomance animal?

daryl, is that really you trying to keep a thread on topic. somebody done stole the boy's password.

I think Kevin touched at the heart of the matter as I see it. He has a very good example of a s/l proving itself, yet he doesn't expect the dog to be widely used because of his placings.  Whose fault is this. certainly not the dog. If a strong protection test was required for placings, then dogs like his would undoubtly be higher. and I think there would be less divergence between the factions.

Rik

Aw geez, Daryl. So sorry. I promise to never do that again.

A terrible shock, you knock my mock.
What a crock, can't turn back the clock, take it to the chopping block, outlined in chalk.
Before the boat doth rock, or this thread does lock, by a puppet sock, I'm gonna TAKE THAT WALK!

Is that more in keeping with the subject line?



  

Has the protection test itself become easier over the years or is it the way it is conducted and/or scored?

Johan, you need to look to the judges. In all dog shows the judges say who is "correct". A trend is set and if a little bit will do, a lot will do better. That's how breeds become distorted and beyond functionality. If you want to see how ALL domestic animals have become distorted, look at their wild counterpart. The border collie people are having the same problem in their breed because of DOG SHOWS, which in my opinion are the bane of all breeds, even cats are detrimentally affected by cat shows. Trotting is important for herding dogs, but not the exaggerated gait you see in theGSD show ring. That gait will wear a dog out who's trying to work sheep in rough, rocky terrain. I have a WL female that has tremendous natural herding behavior. She will trot for miles and never tire, off lead. Then when we are about two hundred yards from the goat herd, she gets into a half stalking crouch and trots up to the herd, never taking her eyes from them. Puts one in mind of a lioness locked onto her prey trotting up in low profile before the final explosion of speed for the capture! It's breathtaking to watch this female, and she does it EVERY DAY. Never gets to old to watch. And this female has as "normal" conformation you'll ever see on a GSD.

Blitzen, I'm talking about the test at the shows, which is pass/fail, not scored as dogs already have titles. When you see what is allowed to pass it will answer your questions.