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by Char Pazin on 22 February 2012 - 16:02
Can someone here with more experience tell me more about my dogs pedigree both of my dogs are here in the database as you all know they are brother and sister I will be updating informationon their mother later today need to pull papers that are packed away at the moment but the fathers information is there.
Thank you all for your help
Char
GARRIS Arminius Von Chaos
Thank you all for your help
Char
GARRIS Arminius Von Chaos
by Schadenfreude on 22 February 2012 - 18:02
What do you want to know aside from the obvious. It's a pretty open-ended question.
by Char Pazin on 23 February 2012 - 00:02
Well for one I know I have champions their bloodline is not from a backyard breeder and I did pay a hefty price for my dogs. Just because someone is new does not mean I do not understand the breed . I was hoping for a better response will keep trying here as far as open ended how is that I thought it was well thought out question
Char
Char
by vomtreuenhaus on 23 February 2012 - 13:02
This is the pedigree of your pup:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=754690
We cannot give you any information unless you post who the mother is.
But from what I see, The father line has NO working titles aside from a CGC which a labradoodle can get. No show ratings either, and MAYBE a hip/eblow score way back.
The chances of you already being able to go VA are gone.
Also, how do you know this dog will be able to do Schutzhund? The parents/pedigree on the father line has nothing to back it up.
We need more information of the mother line before anything else can be said.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=754690
We cannot give you any information unless you post who the mother is.
But from what I see, The father line has NO working titles aside from a CGC which a labradoodle can get. No show ratings either, and MAYBE a hip/eblow score way back.
The chances of you already being able to go VA are gone.
Also, how do you know this dog will be able to do Schutzhund? The parents/pedigree on the father line has nothing to back it up.
We need more information of the mother line before anything else can be said.
by BoCRon on 23 February 2012 - 13:02
Until you fill in the rest of the pedigree I'm not sure anyone can give you much input.
Sorry to say, but based on what is available to see then most would think of this pedigree (as it stands right now) as typical BYB. No titles or health certifications (other than the one CGC which isn't really either).
Paying a hefty price is all relative regardless. I have people tell me that $500 dollars is outrageous and others who think nothing of spending $3000 and up for an 8 week old puppy.
Sorry to say, but based on what is available to see then most would think of this pedigree (as it stands right now) as typical BYB. No titles or health certifications (other than the one CGC which isn't really either).
Paying a hefty price is all relative regardless. I have people tell me that $500 dollars is outrageous and others who think nothing of spending $3000 and up for an 8 week old puppy.
by RLHAR on 23 February 2012 - 14:02
Are the champions on the mother's line? I am not seeing any accomplishments except for the one CGC on the father's line.
by Char Pazin on 23 February 2012 - 15:02
I must say that I think many have forgot the Winerau History and Zamb he was given up and given away. Furthermore, it is all about genes so we must not just look at titles on first glance we must give every GSD with registration a fair chance to acheive and show potential . Too look away were not going to continue the breed and produce further quality GSD that the Captain would be proud of.
Best Regards Char
http://kerschberger.com/makingofasieger.htm
WM: "Of course. So the second dog comes into the breed and the better dog is gone. This is a mistake that we must be aware of. The breed is built from good genes, not from good training."
RC: "When did you realize that Zamb would be such a good dog?"
Mrs. Martin: "You know, it wasn't until he was one year old. Walter sold him as a three month old puppy."
WM: "Yes, I sold him. I said the dog was too quiet so I sold him to Italy, but I made a contract by which I would have the right to purchase the dog back at one year. Exactly at one year they came with the dog at 6:00 A.M. to our backyard door. I got up and came to see the dog and said "oh my god." I purchased him for much money…much, much money. And then my wife took Zamb to the training field and he bit immediately. He was young and out of coat because he came from Naples in the south of Italy. Later on we showed him for the first time in Ulm and he came in second. A man came to me later and told me ‘this dog will be a great performer at the shows.' We showed him again under Ernest Beck and he put a little dog in front of Zamb. No one could understand. Finally at the Sieger Show he took the Young dog title. From that moment on he kept going up and up."
When did you realize that Zamb would be such a good dog?"
Mrs. Martin: "You know, it wasn’t until he was one year old. Walter sold him as a three month old puppy."
WM: "Yes, I sold him. I said the dog was too quiet so I sold him to Italy, but I made a contract by which I would have the right to purchase the dog back at one year. Exactly at one year they came with the dog at 6:00 A.M. to our backyard door. I got up and came to see the dog and said "oh my god." I purchased him for much money…much, much money. And then my wife took Zamb to the training field and he bit immediately. He was young and out of coat because he came from Naples in the south of Italy. Later on we showed him for the first time in Ulm and he came in second. A man came to me later and told me ‘this dog will be a great performer at the shows.’ We showed him again under Ernest Beck and he put a little dog in front of Zamb. No one could understand. Finally at the Sieger Show he took the Young dog title. From that moment on he kept going up and up."
When did you realize that Zamb would be such a good dog?"
Mrs. Martin: "You know, it wasn’t until he was one year old. Walter sold him as a three month old puppy."
WM: "Yes, I sold him. I said the dog was too quiet so I sold him to Italy, but I made a contract by which I would have the right to purchase the dog back at one year. Exactly at one year they came with the dog at 6:00 A.M. to our backyard door. I got up and came to see the dog and said "oh my god." I purchased him for much money…much, much money. And then my wife took Zamb to the training field and he bit immediately. He was young and out of coat because he came from Naples in the south of Italy. Later on we showed him for the first time in Ulm and he came in second. A man came to me later and told me ‘this dog will be a great performer at the shows.’ We showed him again under Ernest Beck and he put a little dog in front of Zamb. No one could understand. Finally at the Sieger Show he took the Young dog title. From that moment on he kept going up and up." wWienerau dogs.
Best Regards Char
http://kerschberger.com/makingofasieger.htm
WM: "Of course. So the second dog comes into the breed and the better dog is gone. This is a mistake that we must be aware of. The breed is built from good genes, not from good training."
RC: "When did you realize that Zamb would be such a good dog?"
Mrs. Martin: "You know, it wasn't until he was one year old. Walter sold him as a three month old puppy."
WM: "Yes, I sold him. I said the dog was too quiet so I sold him to Italy, but I made a contract by which I would have the right to purchase the dog back at one year. Exactly at one year they came with the dog at 6:00 A.M. to our backyard door. I got up and came to see the dog and said "oh my god." I purchased him for much money…much, much money. And then my wife took Zamb to the training field and he bit immediately. He was young and out of coat because he came from Naples in the south of Italy. Later on we showed him for the first time in Ulm and he came in second. A man came to me later and told me ‘this dog will be a great performer at the shows.' We showed him again under Ernest Beck and he put a little dog in front of Zamb. No one could understand. Finally at the Sieger Show he took the Young dog title. From that moment on he kept going up and up."
When did you realize that Zamb would be such a good dog?"
Mrs. Martin: "You know, it wasn’t until he was one year old. Walter sold him as a three month old puppy."
WM: "Yes, I sold him. I said the dog was too quiet so I sold him to Italy, but I made a contract by which I would have the right to purchase the dog back at one year. Exactly at one year they came with the dog at 6:00 A.M. to our backyard door. I got up and came to see the dog and said "oh my god." I purchased him for much money…much, much money. And then my wife took Zamb to the training field and he bit immediately. He was young and out of coat because he came from Naples in the south of Italy. Later on we showed him for the first time in Ulm and he came in second. A man came to me later and told me ‘this dog will be a great performer at the shows.’ We showed him again under Ernest Beck and he put a little dog in front of Zamb. No one could understand. Finally at the Sieger Show he took the Young dog title. From that moment on he kept going up and up."
When did you realize that Zamb would be such a good dog?"
Mrs. Martin: "You know, it wasn’t until he was one year old. Walter sold him as a three month old puppy."
WM: "Yes, I sold him. I said the dog was too quiet so I sold him to Italy, but I made a contract by which I would have the right to purchase the dog back at one year. Exactly at one year they came with the dog at 6:00 A.M. to our backyard door. I got up and came to see the dog and said "oh my god." I purchased him for much money…much, much money. And then my wife took Zamb to the training field and he bit immediately. He was young and out of coat because he came from Naples in the south of Italy. Later on we showed him for the first time in Ulm and he came in second. A man came to me later and told me ‘this dog will be a great performer at the shows.’ We showed him again under Ernest Beck and he put a little dog in front of Zamb. No one could understand. Finally at the Sieger Show he took the Young dog title. From that moment on he kept going up and up." wWienerau dogs.
by RLHAR on 23 February 2012 - 15:02
That is all well and good but your original question was about your dog's pedigree, which at the moment is incomplete so there is nothing to comment upon.
by GSDPACK on 23 February 2012 - 16:02
Char,
I see dogs on a pedigree, nothing to even go by since the mother is missing. Unless you do more than write about how this is your next sieger, nobody takes you seriously.
You need to go and walk the walk.
Genetics are important, so is the track record of a line being able to do something more than just being nice pets for their owners.
Showing in not the sole purpose of a GSD breed, if it were, then we really are screwing the breed to point of no return.
According to SV your dog would not even have papers at this point ( if the info is correct), you could show him in a "mixed breed class" in a local festival with the next door shepapoodle terrier.
Just because you purchased a dog that had Zamp in some generations ago, doesn't mean much. I do have to agree with Hans Blabla, taking two nice dogs will not automatically give you a nice litter. Breeding on Genetics is like a probability calculation in tossing dice only take to a much higher power. Breeders breed and figure out what works. You can have the best knowledge of the lines and genetic make up of dogs and still you can get very disappointing results.
Good luck with you puppy, I am sure he is a nice dog.
I see dogs on a pedigree, nothing to even go by since the mother is missing. Unless you do more than write about how this is your next sieger, nobody takes you seriously.
You need to go and walk the walk.
Genetics are important, so is the track record of a line being able to do something more than just being nice pets for their owners.
Showing in not the sole purpose of a GSD breed, if it were, then we really are screwing the breed to point of no return.
According to SV your dog would not even have papers at this point ( if the info is correct), you could show him in a "mixed breed class" in a local festival with the next door shepapoodle terrier.
Just because you purchased a dog that had Zamp in some generations ago, doesn't mean much. I do have to agree with Hans Blabla, taking two nice dogs will not automatically give you a nice litter. Breeding on Genetics is like a probability calculation in tossing dice only take to a much higher power. Breeders breed and figure out what works. You can have the best knowledge of the lines and genetic make up of dogs and still you can get very disappointing results.
Good luck with you puppy, I am sure he is a nice dog.
by brynjulf on 23 February 2012 - 16:02
I also do not see any accomplishments on the sire side? What is it that you would like to know? The pedigree appears to be rather light in quality dogs. That said, perhaps the titles were never entered into the query???
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