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by paco 86 on 24 December 2011 - 14:12

Can some one explain to me am little confuse about this point in the standard, German shepherd dog nose must be black as its mentioned in the standard but i saw many dogs with red nose or lighter colour and they have kkll and V rated so is this normal!!! it Does not match the standard!!! little explanation from you Guys will appreciated.

Paco

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 24 December 2011 - 17:12

Paco, I think you are confusing the muzzle with the nose leather. The part of the GSD that must always be black is the leather, the bare skin that surrounds the nostrils. It is okay for the furry part of the nose (muzzle) to be other colours.

jc.carroll

by jc.carroll on 24 December 2011 - 17:12

I have never seen a dog with anything but a black nose attain those ratings. Where have you seen these dogs? On the internet? Photos? In person?

Dogs with black nose leather can have variation in intensity of pigment, just as they can with any other body part. Seasonal changes can affect how "black" a black nose can appear; typically darker in the summer or when they've been out in the sun. Paler in winter. Some dogs are sensitive to the chemicals in plastic food bowls, and eating from them causes the nose to take on a less black tint. There are other factors that can affect skin pigmentation on the nose.

Some genetically blue (dilute black) dogs have such full pigmentation their noses appear almost black, but it's clear the rest of the dog is not a black-pigmented specimen.

The only dogs that can have noses other than black, disbarring a medical condition or normal varience in pigment, are liver dogs, blue dogs, and dilute livers. These are serious faults in all show rings, and no dog of such colour could earn a V or Kkl1.



Not to go too deep into genetics but I think it worth adding:

Yes, I know white dogs can have black noses, but from a genetic standpoint white is a masking gene that negates the expected colour. in addition to a white dog with black pigment, it would be possible to have a white-appearing blue dog with a grey nose, a white-appearing liver with red, and a white-appearing dilute liver with a pink nose.

by SitasMom on 24 December 2011 - 18:12


winter nose?

Rik

by Rik on 24 December 2011 - 19:12

what SitasMom said


by paco 86 on 24 December 2011 - 20:12

   
do you think their nose match the standard!!!



Red Sable

by Red Sable on 24 December 2011 - 21:12

Snow nose happens in colder weather paco, and is a result of lack of sunlight.  It is not a genetic fault.  It can also be caused from  vitamin B deficiencies.  Using plastic bowls may cause it also.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 24 December 2011 - 21:12

Red Sable, I thought snow nose was due to the dog rooting in the snow, and damaging the skin of the nose. Where did you hear it was due to lack of sunlight? That would likely be related to Vitamin D, the sunshine vitamin, not vitamin B.

Red Sable

by Red Sable on 24 December 2011 - 22:12

Hi Sunsilver, I had a post with links all typed out and then I lost it.  Frik!

Some articles said Vit D (sun) and Vit B, more specifically Pabba.  Another one said Vit E,  most agreed diet as dogs in warmer climate can get snow nose also.  They said mainly white or light dogs get it, however, I had a richly pigmented black blanket  back that used to get it once and a while, unfortunately I can't remember what time of year.  I also don't ever remember using plastic bowls.

 The more I read, the more I think a lot of it is speculation. :)


Rik

by Rik on 25 December 2011 - 11:12

I've had it on dogs in the south. not snow related. always heard it was vit. D related but never saw any studies to confirm.





 


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