WGSLs that can do SchH Well? - Page 1

I was watching a video of a sieger show, and let me just say, I was disappointed with these dogs. 

Almost every video I've watched of WL GSDs, when the handler says, "AUS!" the dog lets the sleeve go and doesn't let the helper out of sight. 

In the videos of the WGSLs I watched, when the handler gives the release command, they nibble it out, nip the sleeve a bit, and most sat by the helper but watched for their handler coming the entire time. One of the dogs turned tail and ran after he missed the sleeve and the helper raised the stick. 

Are there any WGSL breeders who breeds dogs that are good at SchH, and doesn't just get the titles on them so they can be bred? 

There are some very nice WGSL dogs but in my similar quest I have yet to find a breeder that can *consistently produce* what I am looking for.

The fact that this thread has only one reply is a bit saddening. It basically confirms the thought that WGSLs are titled just so they can breed. :/

Just because you haven't bothered to look doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed before. Here's a good place to start. It was the thread with the second highest amount of participation this the year.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=481467

As I mentioned in another thread about showlines I dont remember the post though) the one showline breeder that sticks out in my mind is Theishof German Shepherds. She breeds and titles all her own dogs. From what I have seen of her dogs, I was very impressed.

I know of some succesfull handler trained working dogs out of this WGSL kennel:

http://www.bullingershepherds.com/

I understand even the German police have started moving away from GSDs and onto Malis....which in turn would be a highly politically incorrect thing to do in Germany, if not for the fact that the GSDs available there are totally useless for working purposes, and thus the police have no option but to look elsewhere.  The working line dogs are definitely available but those seem to be much more scarce.   Shows how the showline breeders have bred the heart away from the GSD, with emphasis on angulation, "pleasing looks" and ability to perform on a sport field (than display courage under stressful conditions). 

These breeders should go back and read up on what Max Stephanitz required in a GSD.....many of these showline "champion" specimens would not make even the initial cut.

We imported a WGSL female for some friends a few years back. When she arrived, my husband and I were immediately taken with her outstanding temperament and good nature. We kept her for a few days prior to her new owners getting her. They asked for us to a bit of an assessment, check out her obedience and her bitework. She was a SchH1, so we did a basic obedience routine and a modified SchH 1 routine. We were so pleasantly surprised, she had obviously has some great training, but behind that was just a wonderful temperament. 
They ended up breeding her the following year and gave us one of the puppies as a gift. We have always had working line dogs, but decided this pup might be a good first dog for our then 13yo daughter to raise and train on her own. The dog just turned 2yo and is a great dog for my daughter. She is planning on getting his BH this spring (we just sent away for the scorebook so hopefully will get it back in time). She has done all of the training herself, and the dog is just right for a first time trainer. He has just enough uumph to make it fun, but is very manageable and very sensitive to her. Another friend bought one of the brothers of this litter, and he is also doing REALLY well. He will be entering his dog for the BH at the same trial. Both of these dogs have a temperament very much like their mother. We are very impressed with how much like their mother these 2 boys are in their working style and as good family dogs. I don't have a ton of experience with WGSL on a day to day basis (more now, though, as we have gotten quite a few new training clients with WGSL pups), but I really like these lines and have totally enjoyed learning a thing or two with them. 

Here is the mom's pedigree-

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=481444

There are more showline dogs out there than one might think. These are dogs that are _capable_ of decent work -not earth shattering/jaw dropping-but passable work, the sad fact is, these dogs are not worked with "quality" of training in mind. They are titled as a neccessary means to an end. No title no survey, no Working class entry no V rating.

And yes, titles are bought, but some of these dogs have not even been given a chance to really show what they bring--thats the sad part.
These dogs are out there, if they truly interest you, then get out to some of the clubs, some of the shows. Watch the dogs work, talk to the helpers.

Even the best workingline dog could not truly "shine" if rushed through the way most of these showlines are done.

It's a tough road to take to find good true decent working ability in the showlines, but they are out there. Then find the ones that can produce it! Thats even harder.
Of course, you can say the same about a good workingline dog, some of the greatest trial dogs were not producers.

I will second Heidi, she is in my area, I have seen her dogs, met her dogs and they can consistently do any sport. The temperaments are fabulous as I have seen many grow from puppies to adults; they are pretty nice dogs...and this comes from a hard core working line person. And Now, don't tell Heidi I spoke highly of her dogs, not typical of a WL breeder LOL


 


Good luck on your research