West german VS. Czech VS DDR - Page 1

FRom what I can tell the west German dogs have accomplished a lot more then any other lines . In the bsp most of the Top dogs are west German . What say you?

where are you trying to go with this?

. . . to prove that they're actually 2 different variants in the GSD, but one is so popular for it's beauty and especially in it's movement that it commands a wide following the world over. No wonder, you must count 15 show GSD,s in the motherland(Germany) before you stumble on one workingline/DDR.

I think he referring to working dogs......

Personally the sports was bigger in the west which developed and progressed the training techniques.
Financially in the west you could sell dogs, move freely to compete, people could visit competitions, so the infrastructure supported by money again moved things on. In the west, strong dogs could off to KNPV trainers, French Ring or just be freely sold to Police/Military around the world.

It was very different on the East. Competition whether sport or financial will drive change, often for the better.

The reality is the bloodlines were probably more mixed than we realise, and certainly in the last 20yrs+ since the restrictions were removed.
Even in an average litter you can variations in type and character, and we shouldn't look for differences that aren't really there. It's more about the specific kennel bloodline, I think.

Ronin

I don't see much fun in running around In a circle to look at my hump back dog! Also ace why even waste you time posting that. I'm just curious why people think WesT German WORKInG line excel so much better then Czech or DDR in sport

One has to know history before you can even compare the two.  Economics and democracy dictated where and why dogs were produced.  When Czechoslovakia was - it was a military operation with a closed border.  West Germany was an open market with money in sport.  Holland was just getting started outside the police dog market.  DDR dogs were bred to bite somewhat unprovoked and so, a little "sharp" (see the old Kor reports)

oh, so many here are too young to remember!

Plenty of Czech/Slovak dogs entered the WUSV for a number of years.  In 2001 WUSV event in Slovenia, there were a high number of dogs from other countries with Czech/Slovak breeding.  ( my last event I attended in Europe) Slovakia itself had an outstanding team.  They simply did not have enough training time due to the individual competitors funding themselves for this event.  No high end sponsors to pay the bills for travel, etc. 
Real dogs in these competitions.   Not so much seen today unfortunately.

This question originated without an understanding of statistics.  A lot of quality dogs get passed over for the "popular in the news" dogs that get press time, fancy websites (omg) and someone to take the dog nationwide.


Cheers!
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com

Three Cheers! for Nancy Rhynard for speaking out, great statment. Good to hear some truth instead same old from the  z ps   man. You are 100% correct.

I would add to what Nancy accurately said.  The BSP is the German Nationals for SchH.  You have to compete and qualify in a regional event in Germany (LGA) to be selected to compete at the BSP.  I do not believe this event is open to teams from other countries.  You will naturally see a predominance of German Working line dogs at this competition.  If you want to compare; the WUSV, which is an international competition would be a better comparison to see top sport dogs from around the world. 

Also, I would add that many German breeders do not breed to dogs that are not titled, shown and breed surveyed under SV judges.  That does limit some good dogs from German working lines.  It seems that the Czech breeders do add many top German working line studs into their breeding program.  I own a Czech dog and have owned German Working and SL dogs.  I still have my Yoshy grandaughter.  There is a lot of marketing and "fad" going on with Czech dogs as of late.  I love my czech dog and will get another one, but I would also get another German or Belgium WL dog just as quickly.  A good dog is a good dog.  I will not limit my self to just country,line or style.  I'll choose the best dog available. 

" It seems that the Czech breeders do add many top German working line studs into their breeding program"
 I think they have no choice today where else do they go for dogs. Many czech dogs now have 50% west blood. But i do not agree with calling them czech dogs if 50 % or more of the blood is west german. And for people to pay extra money to buy them ,it would be better for them to look for dogs bred here in the usa for a lot less $

I prefer a dog who does not run in tight circles in a kennel.  I don't like barky-barky hyper dogs who get really high pitched and shrill in the blind.  So, I don't want a sport dog.  It's not to put them down.  For many people it is exactly what they want and good for them.  It is just not for me.

I like a calmer, deep bark and a serious dog.  So, I picked my dogs very carefully from DDR bloodlines.  Pharaoh's parents are both pink papered but titles are not important to me.  I bought Mariah from Just K9's.  Kim is very particular about health clearances and structure and temperament.  I am so fortunate that she is only 15 minutes away and breeds drop dead gorgeous DDR dogs of the temperament that I want.

They are smart and do well in many different endeavors, very versatile dogs.

Michele