Titles...and imaginary titles - Page 1

As someone who puts in the time and effort to train, title, and compete with my dogs, it frustrates me to see imaginary titles like PPD listed after a dog's name here. There is no such thing as a PPD title to my knowledge. Or SCHH, or schH training, or BH (which is required to get a title) or all the other made up BS that makes it appear that a dog is titled. Give the dog a couple of sleeve bites, and now it's a PPD, so let's breed it.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=443404

Here is an example. The dog is listed as BH, SCHH, PPD. What that means is that the dog has no titles, (until the owner reads this, and changes the pedigree).

Could the site owner put some sort of list of actual titles to choose from, when inputting a pedigree? It might clear up some of the deception that might fool a newbie into thinking that the dog has real titles. Just a thought.

There is a box wich says "Achievements" and behind it it says "(Schh3,IPO3, ...)" isn't it this part they filled out? Or do you mean something else?

GSDs prior to 1940s had many titles that do not exist today. SchH was a common title as well as ZPr and PH.  Axel vd Deininghauserheide also had DPH title and he was VA in the 1950s.  Any official test/trial that has a title you can try for, is an official title.  BH was a title I received on a nine year old male that I had no interest in getting a SchH1.  He also got an HCT in AHBA herding, and a CGC through an AKC program at the same age.  These, as well as an AD, are official titles with certificates given seperately from any further titles.  When you get a SchH1 you need the BH first, so when you get your SchH1 the BH is included in your SchH1.  Likewise SchH2 and SchH3.  The AD title is included in the dogs Koerclass.  Also the AHBA HCT is included in your JHD, and both are included in your HTD1, etc.  Lower titles incourge the 'newbie' to continue in that venue.  The HGH is a really tough title and the Germans have no lower titles in herding so only a few are given in any year.  The AKC herding titles start rather easy and become more difficult.  There are many comformation people, getting herding lower titles and becoming interested enough to get intermediate titles.

Not exactly the same but, I get annoyed when I see BH, SchH2 or whatever. You have to have the BH in order to get any further titles, so it is totally redundant to list it. I think people just want to list as many titles as they can. I had a dog that only got her BH and then was injured but I listed her BH, if I would have gotten a SchH1 I would have removed the BH, but that's just me I guess.
As to the list of titles, it would be ok if this was strictly a GSD database, but since other breeds are allowed to register pedigrees here, it would make the list impossibly long. I put most of my Beaucerons in here a while ago and I had to list a bunch of French ratings (titles that are similar to a Koer rating, but French terms). It was nice to be able to list the titles as they were printed on the pedigrees and know that others familiar with the breed would know what they were. 

Anytime a handler/dog team has to train together and pay money to be judged by another individual and recieve a passing score, and in some cases several passing scores, that to me qualifies as a title.  I understand what you are saying that the BH should be replaced by a SchH1 because that is the next title in progression, but why shouldn't the BH count as a title?  You have to do some amount of training to get one.  Sure some things aren't technically considered titles like the AKC CGC, but they are still usually classified as awards and some amount of time, preparation, training, and money went into achieving that.

I believe there are some organizations that offer "titles" for personal protection dogs, Service Dogs of America is one of them if they are still up and running http://www.servicedogsofamerica.com/sda-titles/35-protection-titles.html and I also found the American Personal Protection Dog Association
http://www.theappda.com/

I train and compete in SDA but do not called my dogs "PPD".  To me PPD = personal protection dog.  That is not a title that SDA offers.  They offer PA (protection alert which is a no-biting title), P1-P3 (protection), and PD1-PD3 (police dog).  Like Schutzhund, all of these protection titles assume you have completed and passed the corresponding obedience portion. Unlike SchH you are not required to track, but they do offer tracking titles.  They have the FO which is basically the BH with three additional practical exercises.  You must pass this in order to do a PA and to move on to any of the other titles.  Unlike SchH you can do things slightly out of order (for example, I did the T1 tracking title with my dog since tracking was the first phase in trial, and then completed the FO during the obedience portion of the trial, and if I had failed the FO my T1 would not have counted) and you can do your FO and then move on to P1 or PD1 the same day, you just have to do both the FO obedience and the P1 or PD1 obedience the same day.

I do think the SchH1 replaces the BH but I don't get up in arms if people don't remove the BH.  Same for AKC titles, like listing RN RA and RE.

All I am suggesting is that people only put real titles, awarded by a real judge, after their dog's names. It takes away from someone's hard work in herding, schutzhund, ringsport, PSA,  or AKC obedience, to name a few, when someone decides that their dog is a PPD or a SCHH, or some other title that wasn't awarded to the dog based on it's accomplishments. Any real title, low or high, should be displayed. It's the titles that don't exist that shouldn't. As an example, Ii you have a BH and are working towards a schH1, then all you have done is pass the BH. You don't have a schH1 until you achieve a passing schH1 score in a trial. So all you should be putting after your dog's name is BH, nothing more. If you want more after your dog's name, earn it.

My thought was that if the only way to add a title on PDB was from a drop down list of real titles, not allowing people to make up their own titles. JMO.


 


 

What about those "Kreative" titles, like the RPD and EDD?

lol@darylehret..."Kreative"...haha!

What ticks me off more is when people put Velmi Dobry, SG, VD or other rating crap at the beginning of the dogs name.  Drives me up a wall.  That is NOT part of the dogs's name!!!

Hmmmm, Ace, you know that when you register a dog and it asks for the rating, that it appears in front of the dog's name, right?