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by Jon and buddy on 04 October 2011 - 21:10
Buddy has always been dominant but has got a lot better over the past few months as we have stepped up re affirming pack leader. (i eat first, no taking the piss around the house etc) for the most part this is fine. He is still a bit cheeky but i manage. The main concerns which are getting to the point where they really need to be resolved are as follows:-
First one is, he seems lazy on command. getting him to sit he either wont or does it after constant request and maybe a push of his bum. In fact all commands are not done instant unless there is very tasty treats after. His recall is appalling. but then i am guilt of letting him off the lead when we get to the fields.
second and main one, he will not release the ball or stick when outside. He is so large now that when i try to take it off him he just starts growling... to avoid a dominance confrontation i just let him have it but mainly i cant get it off him. When we get back home he is calm again.
please please help, i have tried the having 2 balls method. he will release them as he should one after the other but he wont let it go on command and if i try to pick the one up he has just released he snaps at it!
Please any help will be greatly received.
jon
First one is, he seems lazy on command. getting him to sit he either wont or does it after constant request and maybe a push of his bum. In fact all commands are not done instant unless there is very tasty treats after. His recall is appalling. but then i am guilt of letting him off the lead when we get to the fields.
second and main one, he will not release the ball or stick when outside. He is so large now that when i try to take it off him he just starts growling... to avoid a dominance confrontation i just let him have it but mainly i cant get it off him. When we get back home he is calm again.
please please help, i have tried the having 2 balls method. he will release them as he should one after the other but he wont let it go on command and if i try to pick the one up he has just released he snaps at it!
Please any help will be greatly received.
jon
by Ibrahim on 04 October 2011 - 22:10
Interesting topic
by Ryanhaus on 04 October 2011 - 22:10
First off,
When you tell him to sit and I mean tell not ask, say it once, if he doesn't sit then you can push his behind down.
No more freedom, no more off leash until you have a reliable recall, meanwhile you can use a flexi leash.
He should also be sporting a prong collar, from which he will eventually graduate from.
My dogs are not allowed to growl at me, I would nip that one in the butt quick with a
HEY!!!!! HEY!!! UH UH , and you tell him leave it, or drop it, use a walking stick when you are outside with him, it tells him "I am the leader, don't mess with me"
I use a walking stick, kinda like sheep herding with your dog, sometimes they may need a tap to the side of their hind leg....only a tap....it diverts their attention.
One last thing, don't let him sleep on your couch or bed, those area's are reserved for the pack leader only!
Lots of luck,
Paula
When you tell him to sit and I mean tell not ask, say it once, if he doesn't sit then you can push his behind down.
No more freedom, no more off leash until you have a reliable recall, meanwhile you can use a flexi leash.
He should also be sporting a prong collar, from which he will eventually graduate from.
My dogs are not allowed to growl at me, I would nip that one in the butt quick with a
HEY!!!!! HEY!!! UH UH , and you tell him leave it, or drop it, use a walking stick when you are outside with him, it tells him "I am the leader, don't mess with me"
I use a walking stick, kinda like sheep herding with your dog, sometimes they may need a tap to the side of their hind leg....only a tap....it diverts their attention.
One last thing, don't let him sleep on your couch or bed, those area's are reserved for the pack leader only!
Lots of luck,
Paula
by Ibrahim on 04 October 2011 - 22:10
Beautiful post Paula, I like the stick technique.
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by beetree on 04 October 2011 - 22:10
Getting him to release the ball, you should just try to ignore him. Call him once and if he ignores you, walk away, go in the house, refuse to play. He will realize the game ends, unless he brings and drops the ball. I explain this to my kids all the time. If you go after him for the ball, all you do is create a new game that he is in control of called: Keep away.
by Sunsilver on 05 October 2011 - 00:10
My male GSD growled and snapped at me once when I tried to take a toy away from him. I pinned him to the ground and held him down until he submitted.
It never happened again.
Also, agree with above suggestions re. recall and other commands. First thing I learned way back when i got my first dog: once the dog understands the command, he gets ONE chance to obey it, then he gets a physical correction. That is one of THE most important principles in training!
Since the dog has to be bribed into obeying I would also eliminate the treats, and just use praise as a reinforcement.
It never happened again.
Also, agree with above suggestions re. recall and other commands. First thing I learned way back when i got my first dog: once the dog understands the command, he gets ONE chance to obey it, then he gets a physical correction. That is one of THE most important principles in training!
Since the dog has to be bribed into obeying I would also eliminate the treats, and just use praise as a reinforcement.
by Ace952 on 05 October 2011 - 00:10
shoot a video so we can see exactly what you are doing and what the dog is doing.
by Slamdunc on 05 October 2011 - 01:10
Sun,
Alpha rolling is a very risky proposition and not really used by trainers that handle aggressive dogs any longer.
Jim
Alpha rolling is a very risky proposition and not really used by trainers that handle aggressive dogs any longer.
Jim
by Siantha on 05 October 2011 - 01:10
i got a 1 and a 1/2 year old male shepherd that was exactly like this i put a prong collar on him and i didnt play nicely we had our moments finealy he started to listen. then he would never bring the ball back he would sit in the yard and destroy it. didnt care if i walked away or not. so i put him on a long line and taught him to come back. then it was trying to release i got bit once or twice but that was all i used the pinch collar grabbed the ball "put the ball on a string to avoid biteing :D " and i held the ball said Out and then gave him corrections till he droped it it took One relly good session of this and then fetch was his favorite game and i slowly did graduate off the pinch collar onto just a fursavor and he did wonderfuland i had a very good friend
by jc.carroll on 05 October 2011 - 01:10
I wouldn't recommend a flexi lead. Cheap plastic, breaks easily, and no way to reel the dog back in if he refuses to come back. Seen so many flexi-gone-wrong incidents in my life; the most common being it getting ripped out of the owner's hand. The second-most being a dog acting up at the end of the lead, and no way to administer a correction or bring the dog back.
I'd advocate a length of nylon webbing, perhaps even a section of bungee added to soften the impact for him hitting the end if he's a bolter. A bungee'll also lessen the shock for your shoulders as well. Something like this added to the long-line [link].
I'd advocate a length of nylon webbing, perhaps even a section of bungee added to soften the impact for him hitting the end if he's a bolter. A bungee'll also lessen the shock for your shoulders as well. Something like this added to the long-line [link].
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