can untained dogs really protect?

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by gsds30281 on 29 September 2011 - 21:09

Could an untrained,well bred wl gsd protect you?

by Ibrahim on 29 September 2011 - 21:09

I always wondered about this muself, I don't have much actual experience with wl gsd but if it is well bred, owner protective, bond with the owner is strong provided it perceives the threat to its owner it shall protect otherwise it is useless.

Ibrahim

by beetree on 29 September 2011 - 21:09

Only if you deserve it. And you'll never know for sure until the situation is upon you.

by Red Sable on 29 September 2011 - 21:09

Some will and do.

by Slamdunc on 29 September 2011 - 21:09

Could Bruce Lee's son do karate with out training? Could Michael Jordan's son turn 18 and play pro basketball never having touched a basketball or shot a basket? He may have the genetics, but you won't know his potential or what you have with out training.

by Gustav on 29 September 2011 - 21:09

Some can and most can't. Most require training....there are those special dogs that have the disgression and the sand to back it up...not fear based but strong stopping power if they perceive a threat to family or territory. Very seldom seen these days without training.

by Ibrahim on 29 September 2011 - 22:09

Ohhhhh, how well said Jim and how true, I wish it could perform without training especially in areas where training is hard to get.

Ibrahim

by gsds30281 on 29 September 2011 - 22:09

So a gsd with good nerves, and drives (like alot of well bred wl gsds have) would cower away from a threat just because they wouldnt know how to respond,because they were never trained?

by vonissk on 29 September 2011 - 22:09

I agree with all that has been said. Gustav you are absolutely right--I believe the dogs with no training that will protect are few and far inbetween. My boy is 3/4 working lines and 1/4 DDR--he is not oversized--he's very stocky and big boned and he loves me. He is almost 7 and I have had him since he was 10 wks old. He's not a hard tough dog or any of that. But there is no doubt in my mind if he felt like his family--me and the girl dogs--and his property needed to be protected he would. He has already threatened a couple of people and sort of nipped at one for making the wrong move--you know what that guy turned out to be no good--so I guess he reads people better than me. The only training he has ever had is OB, ring training and a little bitework when he was young. When he is in the car--he likes to ride in the front seat--if anyone comes to the window to talk to me--he stays in his seat but he watched them the whole time. I have had 2 PPDs before-a Czeck bitch and a Mali bitch and they were very well trained. But I never thought I would have a dog like him with no training............

by Slamdunc on 29 September 2011 - 22:09

gsds,
Who said cower. Please go back and re read my post, it is fairly self explanatory. I agree with Gustav as he always offers very sound posts. Naturally, your dog is the exception that is able to handle any situation with no problem and no training.

One thing I have learned over the years is that ANY dog can be backed with the proper stress and pressure. Trained dogs can handle this stress better and perform more reliably, it is a fact. I test and select green dogs for several Police Dept's and I can tell you the vast majority can not handle the stress I put on them in testing.

I realize that everyone thinks they have the dog that will protect them at all costs, my experience tells me something differently. If your dog is never tested you can only hope and will never know. Hopefully, you never need to find out.

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