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by minro on 15 September 2011 - 07:09
Hi everyone,
I'm currently looking at this litter to bring over a nice working pup. Looking to do some PSA and personal protection. Looks matter very little if at all to me, which is my concern with this litter as it seems that the breeder seems to put a bit more emphasis on it. I would prefer a hard dog with a good amount on fight drive.
Please, if you know a bit about pedigrees/lines, any input would be super helpful. If you know of any better breeders in the US that'd be great as well. Thanks :)
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/para.utkoma?fadir=645432&modir=612258
I'm currently looking at this litter to bring over a nice working pup. Looking to do some PSA and personal protection. Looks matter very little if at all to me, which is my concern with this litter as it seems that the breeder seems to put a bit more emphasis on it. I would prefer a hard dog with a good amount on fight drive.
Please, if you know a bit about pedigrees/lines, any input would be super helpful. If you know of any better breeders in the US that'd be great as well. Thanks :)
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/para.utkoma?fadir=645432&modir=612258
by ronin on 15 September 2011 - 08:09
I don't mind having a look, just put the link in correctly,
Ronin
Ronin
by kazulani on 15 September 2011 - 08:09
3-3 on Sven and Sindy from the E Litter.
What I would expect from this breeding is strong hard dogs that are more on the defense side than the prey side of life, less obedience. Very good guard dogs, quick to aggression with decoywork.
A friend of mine has done a breeding on this too. Very good looking dogs, very strong and big bone and dark dogs.
I have a friend that has a male through Sindy.. It is a very serious dog and he has used him for securitywork.
If you wish you may pm me and Ill give you his details, he is very knowing of these lines and has met with the breeders there too.
What I would expect from this breeding is strong hard dogs that are more on the defense side than the prey side of life, less obedience. Very good guard dogs, quick to aggression with decoywork.
A friend of mine has done a breeding on this too. Very good looking dogs, very strong and big bone and dark dogs.
I have a friend that has a male through Sindy.. It is a very serious dog and he has used him for securitywork.
If you wish you may pm me and Ill give you his details, he is very knowing of these lines and has met with the breeders there too.
by minro on 15 September 2011 - 09:09
Ronin: Sorry the link doesn't work for you! -- if you'd like to do a mating test the sire is Don von den Wilden Teufeln and the damn is Chadee von den Wilden Teufeln. Thank you :)
by kazulani on 15 September 2011 - 10:09
by Jenni78 on 15 September 2011 - 13:09
If you don't know exactly what all these dogs bring by personal experience, I wouldn't touch a 3-3 on Sindy/Sven (in a male) w/a ten foot pole, particularly Sindy.
by minro on 15 September 2011 - 13:09
thanks for the advice -- care to elaborate why?
by Ramage on 15 September 2011 - 14:09
My guess is because they tend to be hard, serious dogs. Have you personally been around dogs like this? I have and I can honestly tell you that I admire them, but do not want to own them. After owning several hard, serious dogs that can be difficult to get obedience on ... I've learned that I prefer dogs more in the middle. Serious when need be, hard to an extent, but eager to please and snappy obedience. That is just ME and my preference. However, I'd encourage anyone to meet dogs like this in person and decide for themselves. If you want and like serious, hard dogs then this is probably a great breeding for you 
by hexe on 15 September 2011 - 15:09
minro wrote:
"thanks for the advice -- care to elaborate why? "
For an understanding of why Jenni made that statement (and I agree with her), I suggest you read both of the following threads in their entirety. As Ramage said, these dogs tend to be hard, serious dogs, and are not for the casual owner; they have their place, for sure, but that place is in the hands of very experienced trainer/handlers. In other words, if you have to ask what this breeding brings to the table, you most likely aren't seasoned enough to be a good candidate for a dog from this lineage.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=77690
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=251548#251578
"thanks for the advice -- care to elaborate why? "
For an understanding of why Jenni made that statement (and I agree with her), I suggest you read both of the following threads in their entirety. As Ramage said, these dogs tend to be hard, serious dogs, and are not for the casual owner; they have their place, for sure, but that place is in the hands of very experienced trainer/handlers. In other words, if you have to ask what this breeding brings to the table, you most likely aren't seasoned enough to be a good candidate for a dog from this lineage.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=77690
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=251548#251578
by VomMarischal on 15 September 2011 - 16:09
The original post seems to be fairly clear about what the dog is for, PSA and PPD. I'd say he'd be fine with a hard dog as long as the the trainer/TD/Decoys know how to bring prey out to balance the dog.
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