Fun with show toons - Page 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10-bn34-2fE&feature=player_embedded

Shame on them.

All I can say is I'm glad it happened THERE. We'd be in deep caca for messing up the breed if it happened anywhere else.

Any idea why the judge permitted a do over?  I don't speak German,  was he calling it a helper error????  The dog looked really really confused.

Thank your for posting that, Jeff. It's nice to actually see what Koos Hassing was talking about when he posted this article:

http://www.vomdomburgerland.nl/koos1.pdf

The officials and breeders who have allowed the GSD to reach this sorry state need to hang their heads in shame.

wow dogs at 6 min and 9 min were really scared ran away....what kind of competition is this? "whose dog can ran away furthest" ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10-bn34-2fE&feature=player_embedded







 

 
 

    Ohhh...That is painful to watch...: (

         There is something terribly wrong with seeing a GSD shy and run...

Ever wonder when the show/working cross threads come up why I am cursing and flailing my arms about ? This is one reason why, and this is not unusual. People shop for opinions that FIT what they WANT to believe. We see that all the time. Now, some may have a show line that is nothing like this, but how is what they are doing going to be PERCEIVED, by those that I have just talked about ? LOL

I wonder how many of those dogs were sold for ridiculous prices even after this nightmare ? Think about how many of us have very nice looking dogs that actually LOOK like a GSD, and they are not nearly worth the price of one of these funny looking curs. How shameful is that ? How did it ever get to the point where the shitter is worth more than the dog that will stand in the door and protect your family ??

So, for those of you that see me curse and wail and think I am being a huge jerk, and HOW DARE I, then I will now always refer these people to this thread so that they can watch what is very expensive and absolutely pointless.

The biggest question is did those dogs pass the courage test?  If they did then there is a problem, if they failed then the system is working. I dont think people think you are being a jerk.  If a dog performed like that and passed well then be outraged.  If they perform like that and fail. I'm not sure what the point is?  Huge amounts of GSD (working line and show line) are failing at the moment.  I think it is the push em hard mentality.  The dogs are simply not trained well enough to compete. But if the point is to bash showlines because they can't work then take a look at Griff on video.  He is what we are breeding for at the moment so showbreeders are headed in the right direction.  I have a unique perspective as i work both Show and Working lines. But I blame alot on the trainers as well.  2 months is simply not enough time to prep a dog to be  consistent. JMO

bryn, did you read the article I linked to?

Friday evening, after the courage test at the “Hauptzuchtschau” in Ulm was over I got an alarmed phone call from a sport friend who was there and told me that many of the SchH 2 and even more of the SchH 3dogs did not pass protection.

Sunday evening I calculated that 63 males and 49 females failed. Furthermore, we are talking about exclusively KKL 1 dogs here who had received the rating of “TSB pronounced” in their ZtP/Körung. I doubt that the number of failures had ever been that high. My information showed that protection may have been judged marginally harder but not significantly harder than in years past. I was even told that had the helper work been consistent for all the dogs there would have been even more failures.

There were glaring differences between dogs from performance lines and those from show lines. OK, that may not be such a big deal, but it clearly accentuates how big the differences are.

Only a few years ago I myself was a witness to the way protection was handled at the “Hauptzuchtschau”. I came to the conclusion that some assessments were at the very bottom of the rating “pronounced”, some even below.

Dogs who came off the sleeve during the attack on handler still got a rating high enough to remain in the competition. In individual cases apparently the manner in which the dogs prevented the attack (energetic gripping is desired) was of secondary importance.

 

I strongly recommend you read the rest of the article for yourself. Standards have been watered down to the point where a Schutzhund degree or KKL 1 means very little.