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jd, You are 100% correct. With every generation genes are split 50/50. The result is considerably variable genotype and phenotype. Some comments have been on target as far as individual characteristics and production, however in relation to a specific breeding 3,4, and even 5 generations down river it amounts to sheer conjecture. One needs to make comprehensive comparisons between the breedin partners and their parents and so on. The primary benefit of linebreeding is to reduce the "dilution" of desireable genetics. This has an effect of creating a prepotent producer as the animal with close up line breeding is homozygous for autosomal recessives, as well as having multiple copies of genes for more complex polygenic traits. 5-5 linebreeding is practically meaningless except as a part of the calculation for the overall value of the breeding considering that the more linebred an animal is the greater linebreeding depression can occur. Some breeders in fear of close-up linebreeding do worse with multiple far out linebreedings without the benefit of close-up lines.

Remember that each parent represents 50% of their shared progeny. If they don't have the genes, their pups won't either. The trick is knowing first of all what is what, and second what genes are hidden that will come out with a particular breeding. My best advice is research your prospective stud. Know what he produces with bitches of type and genetics similar tg those of your bitch. Also research the mother line as well as possible. I would suggest that you take your Larus grand daughter to an Ursus line stud outside the Yasko branch. There are still a number of excellent Ursus sons in service. This would give you close-up linebreeding on Ursus with less peripheral linebreeding. Choose carefully based on what improvement your bitch could use and what you have seen produced reliably by the dog in question. Best Wishes and the Best of Luck

Thorsborgen Larus is normal producer and nothing more. Larus undeservedly attained two VA1 title with poor progeny groups and in last at Oberhausen Larus with his no-group slap all breeders and dog owners who have hard work on improving his lines. And he mate the best females around the world as he was VA1 and every VA1 have that probability. Relation quality-quantity in larus case is poor. And that is shame. If I have opportunity to mate that quantity of excellent females maybe I will have better score and produce better dogs. I will not risk 2-3 on Larus and recommend others same. For all breeders, who follow concept of SV, Sieger is place where every year again you will find breeding concept and tendency. There I could not find any reason to linebreed on Ursus or 2-3 Larus specially from last placed in Oberhausen. Jdh Where are you see extraordinary dog linebreed on Ursus? Ursus genes are excellent on one parent but forced on both parents in practice have not got expected results.

I would like to give more information about the litter and sire the and of the litter but I don't feel its the best idea seeing as how it could possibly start some words being said that would not be too kind. But I do have more questions concerning this litter and the thoughts of some experienced breeders. thanks so much

Nice pedigrees are good to have, but they are nothing if mother and father do not have anything to GIVE to their progeny. 2-3 on Larus is a bit close for my taste. How many top breeders in Germany did you hear who line bread on Ursus (or Larus)?