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Quote: Seems like Ringsport requires a much tougher dog. Seeing Labs,Goldens, and other breeds regularly getting titled in Schuzhund, to me, isnt saying much for the sport.

 

I didn't want to respond on the other thread, as I think it needs to just have breeders dogs and pups on it. 

 

I do Mondio. I find it to be a very challenging sport, and one mistake can cost you the whole exercise. It is a lot of fun to do, despite Buko's insistence in failing object guards because he was hit in the face, or the defense of handler because he figured that is just long enough. LOL This year at Nationals, he bit early, and actually gave it thought, and came off real fast, and then proceeded to stare at the distraction decoy, then looked at me after the hit. 0. : )

Sch is not even close difficulty-wise. You stay in Mondio long enough, and while Sch has it's difficulties, it is a goof in comparison.

 

I really would like to see the GSD in ringsports. That is my goal for my breeding. I am not going to make it there in one litter, and I am not going to follow Sch stupid rules for breeding. There are things that would melt way too many GSD's in ring as I see it right now. I can come on here and say this, and of course I will be told how foolish I am, but no one takes me up on the challenge to see if they can get a ring three on their GSD.

 

As I see it, and until someone steps up and shows me that their breedings can go and do ringsports, which many of them claim that their breedings can do, I will keep doing what I am doing. 

 

Mondio really is a hell of a lot of fun to trial. Hopefully in a few years people will buy my pups so that they can compete with a GSD in ring.

 

I can see this turning into an interesting thread!

Thanks for clearing that up. The reason I brought it up was because others were trying to compare thier dogs to yours, when they do Schutzhund and you do Mondio...

Non comparable if you ask me...other than the fact Mondio is a much tougher sport.

I respect your goals as a breeder...

I believe you will succeed!

 

 

What traits to you see that keep most sport-bred GSDs from attaining a Mondio title, Jeff? I have my own ideas about what SchH only breeding criteria is causing, but I want to hear what you'd like to see more of and less of in a GSD line that would excel at Mondio. 

Hey Jeff:  I'd like to see a lot more GSDs being bred with an eye towards ring sports.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I think overall they will need to be bred with a lot more easily accessed high prey drive, and  they need to be built better (more upright, shorter backed, no great big heavy clunkers).   I think this would be a better dog for schutzhund too and everything else for that matter,  including military and police work.  After all, these are some of the important  traits (better health, more agile, higher prey drive)  that have made the Malinois a superior dog, in both sport and real world applications, no?

Malinois are cheap, too. That's quite a bit of why there are more of them in those applications. A GSD that can do all that is worth a lot more than a Mal w/the same attributes.

Sue, what do mean "more easily accessed" when you talk about prey drive? 

So are we all agreeing that structure is important and isn't all about looks? 

Hey you guys, why do they call it Ring Sport?

I mean a dog with what i believe Jeff calls  lower thresholds. Prey drive promotion should  be easy and right "there".   Combined with high prey drive, combined with a clear head.   I think probably Malinois are less expensive because their value hasn't been inflated by  popularity and the show ring enthusiast, and it's easier to find a good Malinois than it is a good GSD.   I would agree  that it should be about structure, for me, pretty is as pretty does.  Incidently I'm not saying they aren't out there, there's are a  few GSDs in the little training group I train with,  that I am pretty sure would impress even you, and your ring buddies, Jeff !!  

Ok, thanks, Sue. 

Jeff, I'm not going to say where each one stands because I've never participated in Ring. Where I live, ring isn't available. So since you seem to know how easy SchH is, I'm going to assume you have participated in the sport. I'd be curious to know what type of scores you got. Once again, I'm going to assume they were all V scores, since it is a "goof" sport.

You can stick with Sch Don, no one is asking you to change. The best way to see what I am talking about is to start a club and do the sport. If you have a different opinion in the end, so be it. 

From a basic point of view, you go out and track not even a half a mile, then you take the dog back to the car. You go and do 5 or 10 minutes of OB, then back to the car, then you go out for another 8 minutes and you are done. You have 3 bites total, and the pattern never changes. 

 

It is all well and good to ask me about my scores, and no, not all were V scores, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you go out and train a dog to Mondio or French ring three and Sch is not really all that.

 

Just as a mindset, if my dog does phenominal in the bitework, but ok in the OB, people say, too bad Jeff. If he does well in the OB, then they say he did a good job. Peoples perception is all fuckled up when OB is the major criteria by which they judge a dogs performance.