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What do you guys think about SV allowing foreign registrations? Of course the rules are just as much the same… to get pink paper… both parents must be titled/kored/show titled/etc and so on… I think it would be for the best of the breed to have SV start up a foreign registration for serious breeders. It just kills me to keep seeing AKC ripping people off from the so call “pedigrees” that they sell to people.

A dog retains its original registration like a person retains their original birth certificate even if they move to another country. The SV has better things to do than worry about what happens to dogs bred outside the country, and other things to spend their financial resources on. Brittany, the GSD world does not just consist of Germany and the USofA! Every country has their own kennel clubs and registration requirements. The SV has NO influence on how dogs are bred and registered outside of Germany. Even if they wanted to. You can use USA and get a USA pedigree if you want to spend the extra dollars for a pedigree that is still worthless for SV purposes. If you want to KKL your US bred GSD in Germany you need an AKC 4 gen ped, as USA peds are not accepted or recognized by the SV in Germany. If the dog moves to Germany and needs to be entered into the SV system (ie a bitch whelping a litter there), it needs a 4 gen AKC pedigree in order to do that. That is about all there is to it. A system for what you propose is already in place. No need to re-invent the wheel, again.

That would be great if it was possible.Remember our so called USA registrations where we recievied an addition pedigree.Most people wondered an addition for what! AKC that's what! I send a bitch to Mexico for SchH.1 with her United Schutzhund Club of America pink pedigree and they told me it was not valid due to FCI rules USA is not a member of FCI,the only recognized a 4 generation AKC certified pedigree. When all this happens with SV please inform me...Joe

Sorry D.H we were probably writing at the same time.But you said it best....Joe

Question: What prevents other organizations, other than the AKC, from being recognized by other countries breed registries such as the SV? It surely is not a law. Is it an agreement signed by the two organizations (i.e. akc/SV)?? What gives the AKC the right to a monopoly, in other words?? I'd really like to know. What would prevent a new organization, just for discussion purposes let's call it the SV/USA, from starting a breed registry that would be recognized? With all of the questionable practices the AKC has been involved with over the years somebody should start thinking of a plan to eliminate their monopoly on registrations in this country. I would be willing to bet that there are many, many people that are fed up and would gladly jump to a new organization that was legitemized just to get away from the AKC.

The "pink papers" don't make the dog. If you wanted to participate in Germany on the SV system you can still do so with the 4 generation pedigree as stated above, with your dog registered with the AKC. You can still have your AKC dog in the SV registry, if I am not mistaken, if it has complied with everything that is required of the SV to qualify for entry into the registry. The German "A" stamps on my dog's AKC 4 generation pedigree are more important to me than the color of the registration papers. I find that people obsessed with the "pink papers" have never owned a dog born and registered in Germany, thus they think they have not arrived, yet. Many dogs born outside the geographical boundaries of Germany(where SV has registration authority) are sometimes the progeny of dogs that both were born in Germany to begin with. These dogs have the same bloodlines, they are in essence the "same" dogs that are born in Germany, they were just born on other soil than the Bundesrepublik, and that other "soil" has registration authority over the pups, no different in the dog, however. "Pink papers" to novice GSD people is what sex is to teenagers: It's highly overated! It's the dog, not the papers. It's temperament, structure, trainability, workability, intelligence, loyalty, ect. There are many dogs born every year, with pink registration papers, that are not worth a nickel. It's the dog, not the papers that make it a winner. Stephen

The FCI out of Belgium gives registration authority of all purebreed dogs to organizations in specific countries. The AKC just happens to be the entity within the geographical boundries of the USA that has that was given that authority by the FCI.

My American bred GSD is registered in Germany with the SV in a special book for foreign bred dogs who have fulfilled all the requirements. But one does not receive special registration papers from the SV in this case. I do have all the SV papers for the Koerung etc. The FCI is the world organization and they decided long ago to recognize the AKC as the breed registry organization for the United States. Other Johnny come lately organizations like United Schutzhund Clubs of America are wasting your time and money creating a registry that will never be worth the paper it is on. D.H. is exactly correct on what is the system. I personally have great dislike of the AKC, for many reasons, including their lack of ethics and standards. But this is unlikely to change until those of us who care join their breed club and begin to put pressure on them to change things for the better. I believe someone from the US has recently been elected to their board and that may help change things if more of us get involved in the GSDCA-WDA. In the meantime, United Schutzhund Clubs wastes time and energy and effort duplicating services instead of focusing on the real issues, such as lack of helpers, dwindling memberships and clubs, helping the clubs that exist flourish, etc. I also agree with Stephen however that it is the dog, not the color or, or even the possession of the papers, that make the dog.

I'm starting to have REAL issues with the UScA. The post above doesn't help things. As I understood the UScA when I bought my imports I was REQUIRED to register them to even particpate in a sanctioned trial. I've really not been impressed with anything they do at either a national or regional level and wonder what the money is being used for. -Calvin

Hello, Hodie I totally agree with you. I once was a dedicated member of USCA but to much red tape. We need to concentrate on the dogs not the people. We need improve in breeding program and through GSDCA-WDA I hope we can achieve our goals as breeders and trainers....Joe