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by Liesjers on 20 October 2010 - 18:10
I got my most recent films back from OFA and I know how some like to take a guess. The images below are photos I took of each film on an iMac, so obviously the quality of the actual films is much better, please do not judge based on my photos (I don't have a real lightbox and do not have any digital x-rays). The photos may not show the entire film. I have the OFA certificate so I can post the actual results once the guesses are in. I think I mentioned this dog in a recent thread about hips so some of you may already know the answer. This is a male dog. All the elbows look good and were rated Normal so I won't post them.
7 months, taken by radiologist
24 months, taken by regular vet (familiar with OFA but not specializing in radiology)
24 months, second x-ray taken by the regular vet
24 months, taken by the original radiologist 2 weeks after the above
Guess away!!
7 months, taken by radiologist
24 months, taken by regular vet (familiar with OFA but not specializing in radiology)
24 months, second x-ray taken by the regular vet
24 months, taken by the original radiologist 2 weeks after the above
Guess away!!
by trixx on 20 October 2010 - 19:10
OFA good
by melba on 20 October 2010 - 20:10
Looks like something with the dog's left hip, maybe an injury??
I'm no expert but if OFA does not find fault with the left then I would say OFA good.
Melissa
I'm no expert but if OFA does not find fault with the left then I would say OFA good.
Melissa
by eichenluft on 20 October 2010 - 21:10
I say OFA Good. But BOTH vets didn't get the positioning right or straight. Radiologist or vet - both are very crooked.
by Kalibeck on 20 October 2010 - 22:10
Not gonna hazard a guess, but I'll be checking back with bated breath for the answer! I love these hip x-ray threads, I feel like I can't see enough of them. I'd volunteer at the vets for a chance to peek at all the hip x-rays! It's the only way to learn! jackie harris
by Liesjers on 20 October 2010 - 22:10
OFA good
The dog has transitional vertebra (TVS) with transverse process (the spiny thing that juts out of the TVS, only on the right side of the screen), and this causes asymmetrical pelvic attachment (APA). That is why the positioning appears poor, when in reality it's not physically possible to position this dog correctly because the TVS is not attached the same on both sides. The more symmetrical the pelvis is positioned, the worst the positioning is as far as the hip sockets (it pushes one forward). The TVS/APA can exacerbate HD but does not cause it, so it's not surprising the hips OFA as long as the radiologist can position them in a way to show there is no HD.
It's interesting to me because I'd never heard of this until the radiologist diagnosed it immediately (and the OFA agrees, it is noted on his certificate), but then the more I read about it, it seems more common in GSDs than other breeds. I guess it's easy to miss, people see a GSD move funny and immediately thinkg of HD, DM, spondylosis, etc but the TVS is clear on each x-ray, especially since he has that tranverse process jutting out to one side. It just goes to show how much we obsess over the hips/hip sockets!! (which is important too, don't get me wrong!)
The dog has transitional vertebra (TVS) with transverse process (the spiny thing that juts out of the TVS, only on the right side of the screen), and this causes asymmetrical pelvic attachment (APA). That is why the positioning appears poor, when in reality it's not physically possible to position this dog correctly because the TVS is not attached the same on both sides. The more symmetrical the pelvis is positioned, the worst the positioning is as far as the hip sockets (it pushes one forward). The TVS/APA can exacerbate HD but does not cause it, so it's not surprising the hips OFA as long as the radiologist can position them in a way to show there is no HD.
It's interesting to me because I'd never heard of this until the radiologist diagnosed it immediately (and the OFA agrees, it is noted on his certificate), but then the more I read about it, it seems more common in GSDs than other breeds. I guess it's easy to miss, people see a GSD move funny and immediately thinkg of HD, DM, spondylosis, etc but the TVS is clear on each x-ray, especially since he has that tranverse process jutting out to one side. It just goes to show how much we obsess over the hips/hip sockets!! (which is important too, don't get me wrong!)
by Nans gsd on 20 October 2010 - 23:10
So what will be the outcome of this later in life for him? Is he going to have problems due to this pelvic thing? Just curious and for my experience and info only.
by Liesjers on 21 October 2010 - 00:10
As far as I can tell, it doesn't mean a whole lot. It seems akin to a cat having the extra toe, a skeletal defect that's just there. What's somewhat unique about my dog is that he does show outward signs. When he moves v-e-r-y slowly, like a slow, lazy walk, he sometimes drags his rear feet and/or walks ever so slightly uneven, this is why I originally took him to my normal vet, for a regular "work up" because I was worried about a neurological problem or a sports injury. However he has no pain, there's no limp or limited range of motion. He jumps well, gaits just fine (he was SG rated at 13 months and is nearly UKC champion). He's very lean, fit, and agile, also not very big, I keep him low 70s lbs. From my reading, it seems that there is a slightly higher chance of cauda equina or other back problems like spondylosis, but back problems seem to be fairly common in GSDs in general. I know GSDs with good hips and no other congenital defects that have developed back problems. Since we do SchH and some other dog sports, it's something that I watch for anyway, any signs of pain or problems. There's always that risk with any dog doing lots of training and sports so I suppose I will just x-ray ever few years to make sure nothing else develops.
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