Which lines/breeders would YOU choose to protect your family? - Page 1

okay, I've owned gsd's since childhood, and have spent some time seriously studying things around here and other online resources so i probably know just enough to get me in trouble. I am looking for a gsd puppy that i can count on to protect my wife and five kids when I'm not around. We have a wonderful pet of a gsd that has proven to be a great "watchdog", wondeful friend, squirrel/rabbit/racoon exterminator etc. What i have seen however, is that he does not seem to be the "civil" guarddog that i can rely on to do more than bark if we needed him to. I suppose he could be described as very "sharp" in temperment. My question is, to which lines/breeders would you look to for proven "civil" defense drive gsd's for protection? Also, would you discount any particular type (akc,showline) or look to a particlular type (czech,ddr) ?

 OK I WILL START WOTHWITH APOLOGIZING FOR CAPS  IMI'M ON MY IPOD AND IT WONTWON'T SHUT OFF  SECOND FOR SPELLING  AUTO CORRECT FEATURE PNON THIS THING IS ANNOYING.  SO I AM CONCERNED LESS WITH SPECIFIC BLOODLINE THAN I AM ABOUT A GOOD LINE THAT APPEARS TO BE SOLID  IF I WERE LOOKING FOR A DOG THAT WAS MAINLY PROTECTION LESS PET I WOULD LOOK FOR SCH TITLES.  YOU KNOW THESE DOGS GET THE JOB DONE  I HAVE A PUPPY COMING AND EVERY DOG IN HER PEDIGREE IS SCH TITLED MOST ARE 2 OR 3 AND ALL ARE KKL1 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE THAT IS A 2.  THESE DOGS SHOULD BE PHYSICALLY SOUND AND EAGER TO WORK FOR YOU.  I WOULDNTWOULDN'T DISCOUNT ANY GSDGAS HOWVER.  WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE ROLL OVER AND SUBMIT WHERE ITSIT'S PEOPLE ARE COMCERNEDCONCERNED.  MY 14 WEEK OLD STOOD RIGHT UP TO A BLACK NEAR WITH NO FEAR JUST A FEW DAYS AGO.  

I am glad that you brought up schuthund titles, because one of my primary concerns is that some believe that they may be a better indicator of overall drive, but not always an indicator of a good ppd candidate. I have read where some experienced trainers describe a truly civil dog, as one who does not solely focus on the equipment (sleeve), but on the helper, for instance.

Jinopo.     Hans or Jiri Novotny

I am glad that you brought up schuthund titles, because one of my primary concerns is that some believe that they may be a better indicator of overall drive, but not always an indicator of a good ppd candidate. I have read where some experienced trainers describe a truly civil dog, as one who does not solely focus on the equipment (sleeve), but on the helper, for instance.

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Showline dogs can be great protectors too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-HvfrUUMj8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0sUlRX3c6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZTPZ9r0Ac  last third of video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDn82naprX8 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmLE4KOr6D0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA23Rv0TQ_c


these two dogs are safe with families and social, and will only go off when told to or with a sleeve and whip.

People who want protection dogs do not always understand what they are asking for. The above poster is correct, if the dog is to sharp and you have to put it up, WHAT GOOD IS HE/SHE?

You have kids in the house and will be having thier friends in the home, with sleep overs, and parties with large gatherings of children. I do not care how many times you tell them not to "ruff" house in front of the dog, they are going to do it!
I have had both 1 very big on non social, and had to always put him up, I had to watch who I put in the same car with me if he was in the car. I have 2 daughters, if they fought he would put one of them into a corner on a bark and hold, always the same one (he had is favorite), I swear when he did this he was laughing. I found nothing funny about this dog, nor fun, always eyes on him! 
I currently have one that is VERY social, loves everyone. allowed the girls to fight, allowed the kids to come over, tolerated all of thier antics. He has protected me from a bad time a few times, I would trust this dog under any circumstances. The best thing is, he is easy to live with accepts strangers in my home with ease, if he signals me about someone, I may not understand it, but out they go and now.
Just because you have a dog that is tilted in Sch does not mean you will be protected if need be. The one big advantage on a dog that is sleeve trained, is if ever a mistake, all that gets it is the arm.
You need to talk to someone if you have never handled a pp dog, just ordering one is a fools wisdom. You truly need to understand what you are asking for/in need of. I have been there and done that and I can tell you it is pure hell when you do not really understand what it is you need.
I would suggest you talk to Hans, Alpinek9, he is on this board, he gives of his time freely. if not him there are others here that are well schooled on the mistakes that can be made. Good Luck.

i would say go with the working lines, as any dog can have a great sch pedigree, but that does not mean much, when it comes to a top of a line protection  dog , which is what you are looking for.  sure the show lines will bite the sleeve good but that not the same thing as a protector. i have show lines and one will chase everything off the  territory and the other ones dont do anything.  some working lines tend to have nature instinct .