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by Milla Taran on 26 June 2010 - 23:06
We live in Dallas, TX, USA. We are happy we have found this forum today.
You can see our dog here: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/610747.html
Photogallery is here: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/picturegallery/15320.html
On both sides she is from lines of World and Country Champions. I will thankful for your feet-backs in comments. ;-))
We brought her from Europe nine month ago.
So far she was just a friend to the family. Today in the firum I have learned dogs are different - they can be ether show dog, sports dog or protection dog.
Can you suggest how do I know what kind of dog she is?
Thank you. Bark!
Milla
You can see our dog here: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/610747.html
Photogallery is here: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/picturegallery/15320.html
On both sides she is from lines of World and Country Champions. I will thankful for your feet-backs in comments. ;-))
We brought her from Europe nine month ago.
So far she was just a friend to the family. Today in the firum I have learned dogs are different - they can be ether show dog, sports dog or protection dog.
Can you suggest how do I know what kind of dog she is?
Thank you. Bark!
Milla
by jc.carroll on 27 June 2010 - 00:06
Hi Milla,
Welcome to PDB, nice looking girl you have :-) Insofar as what a dog can be, that depends a lot on the dog, but also on it's upbringing. Any dog can be shown, but unless they have the correct conformation, they won't place as highly. Most dogs with prey drive (chasing balls, rags, squirrels) and solid nerves (not skittish, fearful, or overly aggressive) can make a decent sport dog. Protection training is something that can only be done with a few dogs who have the right blend of attributes, and a protection dog, like a gun, can be a liability more than an asset when placed in the wrong hands of someone who doesn't know how to handle one.
I prefer sport dogs for myself, though I show in SV-type shows. I don't see the need for a protection dog, and I don't personally want to worry about the added responsibility of owning one. My dogs are trained to target the sleeve, not the decoy; and that's my choice. I've owned protection dogs, but don't personally feel the need to train my dog that way.
I guess the question is: what do YOU want with your dog? If you're looking at showing, give her some ring training and enter her in a few shows, just be prepared to have a thick skin, some folks can get nasty at times.
If you want to do sport work, go for it. If you're looking at protection work do a LOT of research beforehand,and chose a trainer with care.
If you just want a loyal companion, enjoy her as is :-) One great thing about the GSD: they have the potential to be almost anything their people want.
Welcome to PDB, nice looking girl you have :-) Insofar as what a dog can be, that depends a lot on the dog, but also on it's upbringing. Any dog can be shown, but unless they have the correct conformation, they won't place as highly. Most dogs with prey drive (chasing balls, rags, squirrels) and solid nerves (not skittish, fearful, or overly aggressive) can make a decent sport dog. Protection training is something that can only be done with a few dogs who have the right blend of attributes, and a protection dog, like a gun, can be a liability more than an asset when placed in the wrong hands of someone who doesn't know how to handle one.
I prefer sport dogs for myself, though I show in SV-type shows. I don't see the need for a protection dog, and I don't personally want to worry about the added responsibility of owning one. My dogs are trained to target the sleeve, not the decoy; and that's my choice. I've owned protection dogs, but don't personally feel the need to train my dog that way.
I guess the question is: what do YOU want with your dog? If you're looking at showing, give her some ring training and enter her in a few shows, just be prepared to have a thick skin, some folks can get nasty at times.
If you want to do sport work, go for it. If you're looking at protection work do a LOT of research beforehand,and chose a trainer with care.
If you just want a loyal companion, enjoy her as is :-) One great thing about the GSD: they have the potential to be almost anything their people want.
by Ruger1 on 27 June 2010 - 01:06
Welcome Milla,......
You have a very pretty girl....I'm not knowledgeable enough to answer your question, but I learning right along with you.
Ruger1
You have a very pretty girl....I'm not knowledgeable enough to answer your question, but I learning right along with you.
Ruger1
by afwark15 on 27 June 2010 - 02:06
Welcome Milla,
What jc carroll said is very true. Your dog by pedigree is what people call a showline Shepherd (the traditional black and red). The sables, blacks, and bicolors are called working line shepherds. Any "type" can be a sport dog. If that is what you want to do- Schutzhund, being the sport. The dog just has to have what it takes to perform correctly. As long as you have the dedication, go for it!
The working line shepherds usually classify as 'sport' dogs- meaning they excel in the sport of schutzhund, and most people that have these dogs, have them to participate in the sport. Sport dogs can be protection dogs, if trained in that field, but usually the protection phase in schutzhund to a sport dog is just a game (not all the time, some dogs can take it very seriously. but it is expected that the seriousness be left out on the field).
Protection dogs can be either showline or workingline shepherds....but they need to be trained in that field. A schutzhund dog is not necessarily a protection dog.
Showline dogs really thrive in the show ring. Their owners usually participate in conformation shows as well as schutzhund.
Working line dogs can also participate in conformation shows, but it is not as common. Some can get very nice conformation scores, but then again, if you want to win conformation keep in mind, a workingline will not score as high as a showline dog.
Hope this helps
Amanda
What jc carroll said is very true. Your dog by pedigree is what people call a showline Shepherd (the traditional black and red). The sables, blacks, and bicolors are called working line shepherds. Any "type" can be a sport dog. If that is what you want to do- Schutzhund, being the sport. The dog just has to have what it takes to perform correctly. As long as you have the dedication, go for it!
The working line shepherds usually classify as 'sport' dogs- meaning they excel in the sport of schutzhund, and most people that have these dogs, have them to participate in the sport. Sport dogs can be protection dogs, if trained in that field, but usually the protection phase in schutzhund to a sport dog is just a game (not all the time, some dogs can take it very seriously. but it is expected that the seriousness be left out on the field).
Protection dogs can be either showline or workingline shepherds....but they need to be trained in that field. A schutzhund dog is not necessarily a protection dog.
Showline dogs really thrive in the show ring. Their owners usually participate in conformation shows as well as schutzhund.
Working line dogs can also participate in conformation shows, but it is not as common. Some can get very nice conformation scores, but then again, if you want to win conformation keep in mind, a workingline will not score as high as a showline dog.
Hope this helps
Amanda
by Idog on 27 June 2010 - 03:06
Milla,
I don't think you want to base your understanding of the GSD types by coat pattern.
Generally speaking, there are genetic types (or lines) resulting from generations of selective breeding. There are, but not limited to, Working Lines, West German Show Lines (sometimes called High lines), and Amerian/Canadian Show Lines.
Some may include the line from the U.K. as a type, and others include sub-sets of Working Lines to include Czech, West German, DDR and such.
As for the activities you can train in and pursue with your GSD, there are conformation shows, and there are sport dogs that trial in Schutzhund or French Ring and other sports. Still other people train there GSD for personal protection, which is different than a sport dog, where the training scenarios and the bite techniques for a protection dog simulate street scenarios with different types of threats than what a sport dog trains for.
When it comes to coat pattern...all of the coats can be found in any of the lines. However, some patterns dominate some lines....for instance, the saddle coat (Red&Black) or (Black&Tan) dogs are the classic West German Show Lines, while the Black and Sable dogs are more common in the Working Lines. Again, any coat pattern can occur in any of the line, so coat pattern (color) is not how you want to look at GSDs.
Looking at the pedigree link for your GSD, I believe you have a nice dog from West German Show Lines.
Hope this helps.
Idog
I don't think you want to base your understanding of the GSD types by coat pattern.
Generally speaking, there are genetic types (or lines) resulting from generations of selective breeding. There are, but not limited to, Working Lines, West German Show Lines (sometimes called High lines), and Amerian/Canadian Show Lines.
Some may include the line from the U.K. as a type, and others include sub-sets of Working Lines to include Czech, West German, DDR and such.
As for the activities you can train in and pursue with your GSD, there are conformation shows, and there are sport dogs that trial in Schutzhund or French Ring and other sports. Still other people train there GSD for personal protection, which is different than a sport dog, where the training scenarios and the bite techniques for a protection dog simulate street scenarios with different types of threats than what a sport dog trains for.
When it comes to coat pattern...all of the coats can be found in any of the lines. However, some patterns dominate some lines....for instance, the saddle coat (Red&Black) or (Black&Tan) dogs are the classic West German Show Lines, while the Black and Sable dogs are more common in the Working Lines. Again, any coat pattern can occur in any of the line, so coat pattern (color) is not how you want to look at GSDs.
Looking at the pedigree link for your GSD, I believe you have a nice dog from West German Show Lines.
Hope this helps.
Idog
by troublelinx on 27 June 2010 - 05:06
Milla,
Although I know nothing about the bloodlines in showline and very little in working line I could tell that was showline just by looking at the dogs in the pedigree. They have the show aprearence. When you see enought pictures of american, west german show/working, east german, czech pretty soon you can usually eye the difference.
Although I know nothing about the bloodlines in showline and very little in working line I could tell that was showline just by looking at the dogs in the pedigree. They have the show aprearence. When you see enought pictures of american, west german show/working, east german, czech pretty soon you can usually eye the difference.
by afwark15 on 27 June 2010 - 07:06
Idog, you make a good point. I was just trying to keep it simple. It seems that Milla is new to the breed so I didnt want to confuse anyone so badly....trying to take it slow. It can get awful confusing...haha
Amanda
by jc.carroll on 27 June 2010 - 13:06
Milla,
Going a bit more off what Idog and Amanda said, telling lines apart is based a lot on structure and confirmed by pedigree. What I mean is once you get used to recognizing the visual differences in GSD lines, you start to be able to recognize not just a showline from a working line, but you'll be able to tell what type of showline or workingline it is.
There's a great website, "The Illustrated Standard of the German Shepherd" or something like that available on Shawlein.com. There's a page that shows photos of breed types, and related breeds, that is really helpful in learning to recognize types, and identify how they're different.
Going a bit more off what Idog and Amanda said, telling lines apart is based a lot on structure and confirmed by pedigree. What I mean is once you get used to recognizing the visual differences in GSD lines, you start to be able to recognize not just a showline from a working line, but you'll be able to tell what type of showline or workingline it is.
There's a great website, "The Illustrated Standard of the German Shepherd" or something like that available on Shawlein.com. There's a page that shows photos of breed types, and related breeds, that is really helpful in learning to recognize types, and identify how they're different.
by Kimmelot on 28 June 2010 - 05:06
Bump- Don't let it get lost :)
by jeysalim on 28 June 2010 - 18:06
Hi Milla,
From the pedigree, your GSD looks like a showline.
But some showline can be trained for protection, sports and for other purposes.
Jey
From the pedigree, your GSD looks like a showline.
But some showline can be trained for protection, sports and for other purposes.
Jey
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